Monthly Meeting Minutes

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - April 2019

SAFER Meeting Minutes

April 19, 2019

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Quinn, Past President Gurrola, Seely, VP Weise, Wilkerson, Szczepanek , Communications / Social Media Liaison Rabe   

Capstone Infrastructure Protection Services

2240 Auto Park Way, Escondido CA 92029

B/C Kelly Sisson , (619) 742-5573

0940    Meeting called to order – President Quinn opened the meeting and related the meeting agenda and introduced B/C Kelly Sisson who welcomed the attendees and provided location information. He related he hopes to make Capstone a regular SAFER participant / member and led the pledge of allegiance. Introduced the CEO of Capstone Infrastructure Protection Services. He related the various responsibilities and business services they offer to industry and utilities in the areas of fire-life safety, industrial safety and perimeter protection. They key on insurance support strategies such as site survey’s and fire prevention, follow-on / mop up measures in the wildland fire scenario.

Chief Quinn related the dues we pay in support the organization.

  • Thanks Capstone for the morning hospitality.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – No report available at this time.

CalOSHA –  Scott Hudson :

  • Dept of Industrial relations (DIR): is moving ahead with an Emergency Smoke Standard. This is for non-first responders.

  • Monthly Cal/OSHA “advisory meeting’s” has now ended.  

  • New Standard – Night work elimination standard.

  • Note – Valley Fever – Both a standard and endorsed by governor.

  • Working on an “Indoor Hazards” standard. (Includes high temperature locations – not incident specific locations but does cover apparatus bays and training venues.

  • Workplace violence issue is another current “hot Button” topic.

Apparatus – Rob – No report this month

 Safety and Training- No specific committee report.

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Given by B/C Guinn for Tony Duran – Reminder to please pay your annual dues!

Communications – Tracy / Tony:

Vendor Liaison – Gabe for Joe,

*FDIC is at the end of April 27, 28 & 29 in Indianapolis.  

Program: Gas Detection Fundamentals for Fire and Emergency Response

David Molinatti – Industrial Scientific

Introduced his background and several experiences he had:

  • Volunteer Fire Dept.

  • Chimney Fire

Introduced the program agenda:

  • Gas Related Causes of Death

  • Rules to Live By

  • The Gas Monitor

  • Oxygen and Oxygen Sensor

  • Combustibles / LEL Sensors


#1 cause of “monitor failure” is not trusting the metering unit

Rules to Live By

Bump Test Monitor – How Often? Why?

            Every week: connect to docking station

            Before each use

“Peak Screen” – saves highest reading on screen until cleared before next sampling.

Use monitors per manufactures recommendations to comply with CalOSHA and recognized national standards

Electromechancal Sensors for toxic gases is like batteries- in the presence of a target gas they will react and “wear out” more quickly.

Sensor Response Time : (T90 factor) Certain sensors

LEL Sensor Options

Catalytic Bead LEL Sensor – Detection of all LEL’s. Disadvantage: High power usage. Sensor will be damaged by “silicones” like Amoral like products – calibrate if exposed 

Infrared (IR) Sensors detect combustible gases and are immune to poisons (ie silicon based lubricants). Can detect combustibles in an inert environment. Disadvantages: effected by temperatures and humities.

PID (Photoionization Detection: Detects Hydrocarbons and some inorganic vapors.


Calibrate: According to manufacturers recommended procedures – may be diffent fo


Effects of Oxygen :

  • 23.5 % Maximum Safe Level (OSHA)

  • 21.0% O2 content in air (20-954%)

  • 19.5% Minimum allowable safe

1% of Oxygen = 10,000 ppm of other gases, Oxygen = 1/5 of air

1% displacement of

43% of all deaths are oxygen diffiecency related.

#1 sensor that fails is oxygen sensor – because it’s always being exposed to its target gas (Oxygen) even when the monitor is turned off

Combustible gas LELs:

Methane 5% by volume

Propane 2.1 %

Pentane (gasoline) 1.45

Butane 1.95



A methane calibrated sensor “under estimates” the hazard – a pentane calibrated sensor will “overestimate” the hazard


Carbon Monoxide:

  • Flamable at 12.5% vol= 125,000ppm

  • CalOSHA 25 ppm TWA, 200 ppm stel

  • 200-400 headaches, dizziness, nausea

  • 800-1600 death within 1-2 hours

  • At LEL-death in 1-3 minutes

Blood has affinity for CO 200x that of O2

Hydrogen Sulfide:

  • 0.13 ppm can detect odor of H2S

  • 10 ppm – eye irritation

  • 100 ppm – loss of sence of smell in 2 minutes

  • 300 ppm – IDLH

  • Can Hide in “black puddles”

  • Inhibits cell respiration , shuts down your lungs

Hydrogen Cyanide (overhaul)

  • Colorless to pale blue liquid or gas

  • Extremely dangerous due to its toxic  

Confined Space Entry – 2x2 Rule

**Show Phoenix FD Video (on internet) on CO2 hazards

Remote Sampling:

Fault check pump and sample line prior to drawing sample

Sample top middle and bottom of the space PRIOR to entry


New Capabilities in Gas Detection:

  • Man Down and panic button

  • Peer tp Peer Wireless Communication

  • Ability to identify if data for gas readings is occurring while fire fighter is using SCBA

  • Live Monitoring (SFS Chlorine plant)

Area Monitoring:

Detects up to 7 gases -15 censoring options including PID


Agenda (from PPT – Word Transfer – May restate meeting notes above)

•          Gas Related Causes of Death

•          Monitor not working correctly – How do you identify this?

•          Not using your monitor correctly – Proper Confined Space Entry Procedure?

•          Not trusting your monitor – Why?


Rules to Live By;

Bump Test Monitor – How often?  Why?


Confined Space Entry – 2x2 Rule


When your monitor goes into alarm, immediately remove yourself from the environment, ESPECIALY if you are in a confined space. 

Peak Screen – how to use.


The Gas Monitor

•          Sensor Response Time (% x time)

•          LEL Sensor Options

•          Catalytic Bead LEL Sensor – advantages include detection of all LEL’s, linear response to LEL’s.  Disadvantaged include high power consumption, more easily poisoned.

•          Infrared (IR) Sensor – advantages include not easily poisoned, can work in inert environments, low power consumption.  Disadvantages include blind to H2 and Acetylene, designed primarily for Methane. 

•          Combustible Bead

•          Combustibles (LEL) – catalytic bead


•          Poisons

  •           Adhere to the catalyst bead

  •           Damage all or part of the sensing bead

  •           Sensor cannot recover

  •           If exposed - calibrate

  •           Most common

  • WD-40

  •           Silicone based lubricants

  •           Silicone caulking

  •           Armor All 



Infrared Sensor:

•          Infrared sensors use infrared light with filters to identify combustible gases within the specific wavelength spectrum

•          Most gases have a unique infrared wavelength signature

•          The amount of light absorbed by the gas determines the concentration present in the atmosphere

Infrared Sensor Advantages

•          Infrared sensors:

–          Will detect combustible gases in inert atmospheres

–          Are immune to poisons (e.g., silicone based lubricants, )

–          Have a quick response

–          Can be used together with a catalytic bead sensor in the same instrument

–          Sample range is 10 times greater than dilution tube

–          Have fail safe operation


Infrared Sensor Disadvantages

•          Infrared Sensors:

  •           Can be affected by temperature change

  •           Can be affected by high humidity

  •           Can be affected by dusty environments

  •           Cannot detect H2, O2, N2 , CO, Acetylene, Ammonia

  •           Can be affected by pressure change


•          Photoionization Detection:


          PID – Detects hydrocarbons and some inorganic vapors by photoionization in ppm from 0.1 to 2000 ppm

          Measure low concentrations of ionizable chemicals like Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and other toxic gases

•          Effects of Oxygen:

  •           23.5% vol – Maximum Safe Level (OSHA)

  •           21.0% vol – O2 content in air (20.954%)

  •           19.5% vol – Minimum Safe Level (OSHA, NIOSH)

  •           17.0% vol – Impairment of Judgement begins

  •           16.0 – 12.0% vol – Breathing and pulse rate increase, coordination is impaired.

  •           Effects of Oxygen

  •           14.0 – 10% vol – Fatigue, disturbed respiration

  •           10.0 – 6.0% vol – Nausea and vomiting, inability to move freely and loss of consciousness.

  •           < 6.0% vol – Convulsive movements and gasping respiration occurs; later heart rate ceases.

  •           3.0 – 5.0% vol – Life expectancy three to five minutes.

  •           LEL Correlation Factors


•          Toxic Sensors:

  •           Typical for confined space and personal monitoring is H2S and CO.

  •           Some applications may require other gasses to be detected such as NH3, SO2, HCN…


•          Carbon Monoxide Data:      

  •           Odorless and colorless.  By-product of incomplete combustion.

  •           Flammable at 12.5% vol = 125,000 ppm

  •           Cal OSHA 25 ppm TWA, 200 ppm STEL

  •           200 – 400 ppm – headaches, dizzinesss and nausea

  •           800 – 1600 ppm - death within 1 – 2 hours

  •           At LEL – death in 1-3 minutes


•          Hydrogen Sulfide Data:

  •           Colorless gas that smells like rotten eggs. 

  •           By-product of composition. 

  •           0.13 ppm can detect odor of H2S

  •           10 ppm – eye irritation

  •           100 ppm – loss of sense of smell in 2 minutes

  •           300 ppm – IDLH

  •           Can hide in “black puddles”

  •           Inhibit cell respiration, shuts down your lungs


•          Hydrogen Cyanide (overhaul):

  •           Colorless to a pale blue liquid or gas with a distinct odor resembling bitter almonds. 

  •           Extremely dangerous due to its toxic / asphyxiating effects. Eliminates O2 to tissues.

  •           Barring death, normal function quickly restored upon removal from HCN.

  •           10 – 50 ppm – headaches, dizziness, unsteady

  •           100 ppm – feeling of suffocation, nausea

  •           100 – 200 ppm – death in 30 to 60 minutes

  •           280 ppm – immediately fatal


•          CO2:

  •           H-CMvw0  minute 5:00

  •           Odorless and colorless, measured with PID or CO2 sensor.  O2 deficiency is indicator.  False high LEL reading is other indicator. Heavier than air.

  •           300 ppm (0.03% vol)

  •           10,000 pppm (1.0% vol)  - feeling clammy, lack of attention to detail, fatigue, weakness (jelly legs)

  •           50,000 – 100,000 ppm (5 – 10% vol) can quickly result in irreversible health effects


•          New Capabilities in Gas Detection:

  •           Man Down and Panic Button

  •           Peer to Peer Wireless Communication

  •           Ability to identify if data for gas readings is occurring while fire fighter is using SCBA

  •           Live Monitoring


FEATURE: Man-Down & Panic Button:

Man-Down Alarm


Two-Part Alarm:

Alert:  Alerts user to move after set amount of time with no movement


Alarm: After 120 seconds of no movement, alarm will sound


FEATURE: LENS™ Wireless:

•          Saves Lives

  •           Relying on a localized alarm is not always practical

  •           View peer gas readings, man-down, and panic alarms

  •           See gas readings from area monitors and personal monitors

  •           Rely on help from workers nearby, rather than a control center

  •           Removes obstacles

  •           Modeled after Military Mobile Ad Hoc Networks

  •           Power up monitor and Peer to Peer connectivity is automatic, No setup or IT assistance needed.


          Area Monitoring:

•          Detect up to 7 gases

  •           15 sensor options, including PID

  •           Pump option

  •           IP 66

•          Intrinsically Safe

  •           Class 1, Div 1

  •           Zone 0

•          Can Automatically connect to personal monitors

          Live Monitoring:

  •           Confined Spaces

  •           Monitor and protect your people working in and around confined spaces.




1000 Round Table:

Carsten Gulberg - Danish Fire – Has new pump / nozzle system that is 15 times more efficient that tradition nozzles. Works with water, A & B foam.  

Steve Hanks – SCOTT repr in Cal, After Sept all new SCBA’s must meet 2018 standards.

Gabe AllStar Fire – Returned from FDIC, well attended. Expect increased costs for

Rincon Fire – Interested in equipment

Jeff Larson – Kapler Level A & B suits that protect from fentyle

Delon – Pelican Products – Interduced ne special lighting product for “Smokey” environments, covers SD County and AZ

Drico ISI – reps a new nozzle that is more effience

Vern Evans Solution Safety – NFPA 1851 Training experience, discussed decon trends and procedures being developed by different agencies

Chris Palmer – Capstones

Jeff Story – Air Research – Plymovent systems

Jake ASherman – Hero wipes / ems wipes

Terry Palmer – AllStar Fire –

Eric Higgins – Bestway Laundry systems – interested in providing safety gear maintenance.  

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – Thanked PlyMoVent for recent install at Fillmore Fire Station. Foundation Golf Tournament June 1. Near miss of CalFire unit will be discussed at Forestry Wardens meeting.

Tracy LineGear – Discussed has info on fire wardens meeting. Related the Mystery Ranch gear she is representing. Thanked Capstone.

Matt Rios – Mirmar Fire EMS coordinator.

Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton Retired – Thanked Capstone for hosting discussed events planned at Camp Pendleton.

Scott Hudson – Hemet Retired – Hemet is out to bid for 2 new utility vehicles and ambulances. Discussed DRONEs and a recent FBI class giving first responders guidance on the use of DRONE’s. Discussed cyber security issues affecting water agencies.  Related the importance of networking with local PD / sheriffs to learn what hazards relating to danger

Tifani Swink – Mallory Safety & Supply -Glad to see Capstones growth and evolution in the area.

Scott Quinn – LAFD - Discussed the “Drop Program” and how it will affect institutional knowledge in the agency. Discussed the San Diego County Fire Situation Awareness System relating how good the site is.

Mike Wyzenburg – Ventura County Fire – Discussed promotions and re-assignments within the agency. Related they will be hosting next month’s meeting Topic: Shooting in



Next meetings:

Ventura Co FD – Newberry Park Station 35 – Mass Shooting


SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Meeting adjourned: 1200


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - February 2019 - Newport Beach FD

SAFER Meeting Minutes

February 15, 2019

SAFER Board Attendees: President Quinn ,Past President Gurrola, Seely , Tracy Rabe   

Newport Beach Fire Department – Marina Park Community Center

1600 West Balboa Boulevard, Newport Beach, CA  92663

0940    Meeting called to order – SAFER President Quinn, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, introduced B/C Justin Carr who led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice.

**Thanks to Line-Gear  for morning hospitality.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – No report at this time. Jim Evans - AB-2146 is working its way through Sacramento. Adapts portions of NFPA 1851 (Cleaning, maintenance, repairs) will be phased in over a few years. (All gear must be NFPA certified equipment will be enforced by CalOSHA). Quinn related the headache CalOSHA investigations

Chief NFPA 1851 2020 Edition – will be issued in August 2019. Some changes to cleaning standard. NFPA 1877 is one to two years out for Wildland PPE.

Cal-OSHA –  Scott Hudson (via email): Nothing to report

Vender Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  Reno November 6,7 & 8, 2018. FREE pass –Enter AllStar for a free pass to

Safety and Training:


Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, LinkedIn

Treasurer – Tony Duran (Via email to board members) Savings and Checking was reported to Board Members (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons)

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 






SAFER Meeting Program(s):

Wildland Exposure Risks & Valley Fever

Presented by: EMS Chief Kristin Thompson – Newport Beach Fire Dept.

B/C Carr related Chief Thompsons background and related her current responsibilities before introducing her as our program presenter.

Chemical Exposures on the Fireground

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Paul Laker - Workrite – Has new dual compliant PPE,.

Chief Tony Pighitti -  Santa Barbara City

Steve Hanks – SCOTT Safety - New pro airpack out, will comply with new SCBA NFPa

B/C Barry Owens Cal Fire Riverside – Available to assist with other agencies.

Brent Nunez - Torrance Fire – Developing a CA prevention policy. NH3 ongoing today (Tony Duran)

Sabastian – Fillmore Fire :

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire : 3 new paid firefighters added to roster, (6-7 persons a day) Will be hiring- FF-1 & EMT-1 required. Looking for type 3 units

Kelly Whitt - DuPont – Working on Nomex with new liner with less weight. DuPont wants to support FF with

Tracy Rabe – Linegear : Has new catalog of product line.

Gail Mills – Mills Custom Art: Has array of professional poster depicting career highlights and professional gear.

Jeremy Verderber -  (Retired Corona B/C) – Now Merkan Rep – Open to tour facilities at Merkan PPE ISP here in Corona.

Tom Martain – Responded Solutions: Black Diamond, Night Stick, Shelby, Lakeland Fire, Gerber, Nupla products reversible high visibility jackets, many other products related to emergency operations.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry solutions: new FireLink software to allow scanning individual PPE elements for recording keeping.

Scott Estrada FIREETC –San Diego: They stock all fireground equipment and Class A foam inventory. Has Citrosqueeze

Bill Ward – PumpPod USA : giving demonstrations to numerous fire service agencies of their pump training / testing units as well as water source units for refilling helicopters.  (HeloPod) Will be at Cal Chiefs meeting next Thursday to show their units

Next Meeting: Clark County Fire Department in March – Topic Shooting


Chief Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – No isues with equipment

Tony – Santa Ba Fire

Brandon Neilson – Ventura City

Ventura City – Getting three new apparatus, new web-sets fron Line-Gear, Had a CalOSHA heat-illness policy issue.

B/C Carr – Newport Beach, Has begun using “Hot-Shield” product for wildland particulate filtering

Eric Higgins – Bestway Laundry Solutions- Related their new software (FireLink) to scan gear for maintenance of PPE.

Jim Evans – Discussed status of 1851 adoption as a national standard for Selection, Care and Maintenance of firefighter PPE in California.

Hector Garcis Ventura County Fire – is participating in a multi-agency grant for SCBA. Completing study

Jordan Evans – Solutions Safety – Focusing on gross decon methods / procedures.

Swede Rescue Systems – Solo Rescue – Has equipment to decontaminate SCBA components

Hostin in two months

Kelly – Capstone – Will be hosting in April

Newport Beach Fire Depart. –

Kieth Henderberg – NBFD –

Matt – NBFD – First timer

Scott – NPFD – Looking for

Kelly Whitt - DuPont – Related new products avail from Dupont

Rochille - Workrite Uniforms – Is working to fulfill backorders

Pual – WorkRite – Related the sales rep district they are using. Has samples of various PPE / Enseble componemts

Lazaro Martinez – IDEX Fire & Safety  – Has products to support various lines associated with fire apparatus. Rep’s HALE equipment

Russ Snider – OCFA – Has new classes starting Monday, 10 new apparatus

Steve Hanks – 3M Fire Safety – New SCBA standards will be in effect September 2019.

Chief Kristin Thompson – NBFD – A registered nurse, Safety, PPE Committee member. NBFD has a new rehab trailer with equipment for on-scene support needs.

Adrerial Mesa – Torrance FD – New extractor and PPE decon policy. Is at a Wildland Station and works to develop Wildland capabilities.

Chuck Spencer – Air Bandit Filters – Has a line of wildland respiratory protective devices.  

Jeff - AllStar Fire Equipment –

Safety Components – Fabric Mill who supplies materials to SCOTT Airpacks and thermal liners that many manufactures use for Structural PPE and Wildland PPE. Also makes products of the military. CalFire is now using their uniform

Brett – Foxfire Lighting – Will be at

Mike McBride – FoxFire Lighting – Has a light system to support many on-scene needs.

Ed Vella – 3m – Promotes various PPE products for the fire service. N-95 filters

Bill Ward – PumpPod USA – Manufacture of  Helo pod, and pump pod units. Related the various models / uses their units  are used for. Related their recent sales

Davis Molinarti – Related his experience with gas detection / CalOSHA Compliance issues. Related has product lines and the unique capabilities they can offer.

Tracy – LineGear – Located in Orange County – Focus’s on Wildland PPE / Gear.

Kirk Owen – Veridian – Provides gear / support of PPE and related ensemble components

Xxx - Hot Shield – Thanked NBFD for choosing his Hot-Shield product. Related the backround on the development of the Hot-Shield product for Wildland uses.  Offers information.

Jake Sherwin – HeroWipes – Related the performance statistics of their cleaning wipes. Fire wipes / EMS Wipes were discussed.

 ISP - Marken PPE – Related their companies services and

Jerry Marken PPE ISP –

B/C Quinn – Related the “near-miss” report on a recent burn-over of LAFD crew assigned to Mendocino Complex fire. Suggested everybody should read to fully appreciate the value of PPE worn correctly. The report was completed by a US Forestry Staff.


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - December 2018


SAFER Meeting Minutes

December 21, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees: Past Presidents Gurrola and Duran Vice President Weise , Wilkerson, Seely , Hudson,  Sposado, Snider, Weisenberg, Tracy Rabe   

Santa Fe Springs Fire & Reascue Department

0930    Meeting called to order by Past President Gurrola who introduced Santa Fe Springs Fire & Rescue Fire Department Chief Brent Hayward. Chief Hayward welcomed SAFER,  opened the meeting, led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice. Chief Hayward related recent activities within the city and the agency.

Chief Gurrola related there are several board member positions

** Thanks to Santa Fe Springs Fire & Rescue for breakfast morning hospitality

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – 1851 is being re-written to focus on cleaning efforts to reduce carcinogen exposures to crews. New Wildland Standard to address all possible exposure routes: on apparatus, in stations, in base camp, etc.. is being developed. Testing modalities / methods are going to be included in the standard to eliminate toxins. County of Ventura is studying respiratory protection at Wildland Incidents.

Cal-OSHA – Scott Hudson – Deaths in CA remained level with previous year. (Second only to Texas) Deaths due to falls continue to rise. CalOSHA will be raising fees next year. If you have an “outdoor” heat illness / injury policy you don’t need to have a separate “indoor” policy. Prop 11 covers private ambulance employees only. Fire smoke exposure.

Vender Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  Joe thanked SFSFD for hosting the December meetings for many years and thanked the attendees for their participation.

Safety and Training:

Apparatus:  Ventura Co. handled a lot of apparatus repairs during the recent wildland fire activity. Fillmore related they has a fire on one of their Pierce Apparatus priming pump.

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Tony Duran (Via email to board members) Savings and Checking was reported to Board Members (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons). Savings ***** Checking******

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 




SAFER Meeting Program(s):

Active Shooter / Hostile Event Response (ASHER)

Scott Quirarte


B/C Scott Quinarte - Ventura County Fire Department, HazMat Captain, developer of policy / procedures for response to various “typed incidents”. Is a member of the NFPA 3000 committee and of several other public safety committees / groups.  

B/C Scott Quinarte related the evolution of the ASHER program where Law and Fire/EMS personnel are training to improvements in tactics / strategies in response to various multi-disciplinary responses. ASHER was developed in Orlando FLA. With federal grant funding mechanism, includes multi-disciplinary stake holders.

Insert PowerPoint Here

Insert Borderline Bar and Grill sound track here

“We are not prepared for acts of mass violence”

“It’s not about the program, it’s about the networking”

First care providers – citizen actions before EMS arrives

NFPA 3000 tells you what you need to do, not how you need to do it – it’s not a tactical document

To work in the “Warm Zone” (Safety Islands, corridors etc)

ASHER Program:

Run, Hide Fight

School Safety Summit

First Care Providers (Stop the bleed – Equipment and Training) Public access kits

Over convergence – Fire Presence at all Training Events

Unified Command –

Integrating of Dispatch Centers –

Warm Zone Care for Law – (Post Training, Trauma Tuesday, TECC Training at all drills)

TEMS Specialist Program – (Tactical EMS)

RTF Drills –

Micro learning Videos –

Regional Drills –

EMT Schools – Required in curriculum

Trauma Skills and speed – needs to improve across all disciplines

CalOSHA requires “scene safety” to all team members, “Contact and Cover”

Fire Suppression Integrated Response training – (When Fire is used as a weapon Barricade incidents) for LAW

SWAT Training

TEMS Specialist Incident Fire Plan – ID hazards, access and infrastructures

MCI Drill – in Warm & Cold Zones

Prep for event alternative transport possibilities


Scott Quirarte








Round Table:

Dick Weise LACoFD : Lateral FF/PM Exam coming out soon, (100 PM’s short) New Engines and Truck Co’s being speced

Jeff Wilkerson Camp Pendleton FD Retired: Working with Irvine to secure site for California Fire Museum

Scott Hudson Hemet FD Retired – Hemet is “re-manning” certain units after new sales Tax initiative passed. Hemet received two new engines this year. Dept. is using various manning strategies.

Steve Lloyd _Torrance Fire Retired – Former Board Meeting –

Dave Zimmerman – Ventura County – Planning a 40 person academy, department is using a “roving resource” engine to help with peak call volumes. Cleaning up wildland fire (Wolsey Fire)

Mike Weisenberg Ventura County FD – Thanked B/C Scott Qur… for his presentation today. Related what their agency is doing for mental wellness.

FF /PM Torrance FD TEMS Specialist – Thanked Scott

Brian Nunez Torrance Fire : Changing some responses to include Truck Co

Capt –Torrance FD : Just completed their MCI drills 

Sean Miller -Cal Fire – Lots of Riverside Co Unit retirements, neew FC

Fed Fire Ventura County – New Mini Truck on San Nicolas Island, had a fire on the island in which other Federal Bases sent resources for coverage.

Pete Brown – Downey Fire –

Mike Whitney Fire – New Dragger 4-gas monitors, personal TIC’s for each front line position. Ordering a second pair of wildland gear (single layer). Remodeling all 4 fire stations beginning next year.

Steve Hoyle – CA Fire Muesum, accepting donations for the musesum

Edwin – 3M – Thanked SFSFD for hosting the meeting. Is attending today to offer latest technology for FF safety

Jim Boyd – Retired Corona PD SWAT: Provides law enforcement training and an array of FIRE / EMS safety equipment (Vests, helmets etc) Can make Kits for agencies.

Bill Ward – Pump Pro USA : Has production unit with 1800 gallons for training, apparatus maintenance and water conservation. Clean water act prohibits discharge into water ways. Several units are being sold to various agencies in the state. They produce a “HelPod” to provide helicopters with a lighted water source.

David Molinaty – Industrial Scientific: Has full line of gas monitors and telemetry for emergency and industrial use

Gabe : AllStar Fire Equipment: Featuring lightweight boots, new NFPA Gloves and Lion Turnouts

Joe Sposado – AllStar Fire Equipment: Thanked CalFire fire for going to the new SCOTT SCBA’s statewide.

Tom Martain : Responder solutions : Manufactures rp

Tracy Rabe – Line Gear – has full line of PPE

Louie Garcia – Thanked SFSFD for hosting today’s meeting

Frank Flores – EMS – Thanked presenter, related they provide safety gear for ASHER response. Is interested in providing

Chuck Spencer – Air Purifying Bandana, works for

Christina – Hero Wipes : Has Fire Wipes and EMS Wipes for on-scene decontamination, has third party testing to show the products can remove up to 95% of carcinogens. Uses patented cleaners in their wipes. Made in Chino, CA.  

Tony Duran : LACoFD Retired: NH3 Trainer, provides free training for Ammonia Release Incidents for first responders.


Next Month: LACoFD – Camp 2, Electrical Grid Presentation.


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - October 2018

SAFER Meeting Minutes

October 19, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees: Vice President Weise , Wilkerson, Seely , Tracy Rabe   

Carlsbad Fire Department

0941    Meeting called to order – President Quinn, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, introduced A/C Lopez who led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice.

** Thanks to SCOTT Safety  for morning hospitality.

**Thanks to Michele Trout - “Lion Manufacturing” for Pizza Lunch.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – Absent today

Cal-OSHA – Scott Hudson – Absent today

Vender Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  Reno November 6,7 & 8, 2018.

Safety and Training: B/C White (LAFD Logistics Section) – Related the FF Cancer Issue and his personal experiences. He is relating the value Cancer Registry Act of 2018 (Chris Collins sponsored) – recently signed into law by the president. He related the efforts to take preventative measures LAFD is taking to reduce the incidents of CA within the agency:

  • No PPE in Quarters, no contaminated gear to subsequent calls.

  • Two sets of PPE to allow for cleaning

  • Cleaning / maintenance of soiled PPE  (Extractors and ISP servicers)

  • Gross decon in-field / on-scene with cleaning pads

  • Overhall done on tank air

Changing the culture begins in the training tower. NFPA 1851 is on track to become law in California. Mary Murphy related the importance of maintaining a record of your exposures over your career should a CA occurs. The National Registry will consolidate data at the national level.

Apparatus:  No report

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Tony Duran (Via email to board members) Savings and Checking was reported to Board Members (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons)

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 




SAFER Meeting Program(s):

Bloodborne & Airborne Pathogens Update

Presented by: Mary Murphy BSN – Carlsbad Fire Department EMS Manager

PowerPoint Insert:


Designated Infection Control Officer is an CalOSHA requirement

Written Policies and Procedures

Blood borne ; Hepatitis B & C, HIV, 

Airborne : Measles, TB, Chickenpox

Lack of Vaccination & Air Travel are leading causes of increasing disease spread.

Droplet : Diptheria, Influenza

Meningitis, Mump, Pertussis,  

Airborne Diseases (Factors to consider):

  • Organism

  • Transport Time

  • Task / Procedure Performed

  • Ventilation

  • Distance

Protective measures:




Round Table:

Steve Hoyle CA Fire Museum – Take equipment donations – will give tax deductions, wants brass coupled double Dacron / cotton lined layered fire hose for use on static displays.  

Dave Molinatti – Industrial Scientific – Discussed battery off-gases around electric cars and back-up battery systems in solar systems. Hydrogen sensors will likely react to the presence of battery Hydrogen.

Lisa Rameriz – MES - Thermal imaging camera that is small, waterproof around $600.

B/C White LAFD – Getting replacement apparatus through funding sources. Has spec’s if anyone needs spec’s.

Joe Vicinte – Central Valley Fire – First SAFER meeting

Russel Ames – Source One – Products include an array of decon products (wipes, soaps, surface cleaning materials)

Art Camarena -San Miguel Fire – Handles logistics for SMFD.

Josh Krimston – Bonita Fire – PPE manager

Jay Wojnowski -Harland Fire and Rescue – B/C in charge od EMS and Safety programs. Related his experience with improving ff health and safety and his agencies efforts to improve H & S

John Hunter – Swede Rescue Systems – Inventor of Fire Containers, New device “Solar System” to clean PPE and equipment. Relates the swedes are way ahead on CA prevention measures.

Jeremy Verderber – Corona FD (Retired); Works with Marken ISP in Corona.

Kirk Owen – Plano TX FD (Retired): works for fire Veridian equipment, has glove product that was highly rated in testing in Texas.

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Related his experience with NFPA 1851 Standard development. Markets Citro-Squeze cleaning PPE. Discussed new Clorox solution for use in decontamination procedures.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry Solutions – Related they set up extractors / laundering systems in FD’s, related they now have software to track SCAM of PPE elements.

Jeff Storey – PlyMoVent – Discussed article on diesel exhaust and the statistics on CA and the effect on personnel. Advises everyone to “connect the system” instead of coasting in to apparatus bays.

Mark Shelton : Days off Consultants –

Mike McBride – FoxFire Lighting – Related the importance of CA prevention. Discussed the companies lighting solution products.

Jordan Evans – Solutions Safety – Working on videos for “gross cleaning”.

Scott Estrada – Fire Etc .- Has contract for wildland gear for SD County, is and ISP with a 7 day turn-around , 7 days a week.

Bill Ward – Pump-Pod USA – SB 555 Water agencies must account for all un-reported water to the state.

-Discussed the HeloPod : 7K gallons movable tank for remote water source for helicopters

Bill Smodio – MES – Has contracts with SD County for compressors.

Tracy Rabe – Linegear : Has new catalog of product lines. Is working with several FD’s to complete equipment / gear orders.

Steve Hanks – SCOTT – Is shipping the SP PRO Airpacks (Meets current standards, not the “buddy Breathing” connection as this standard is being developed in NFPA comittee.

Gabe Sayegh - AllStar Fire Equipment – Showed new LION PPE, discussed the company’s products and upcoming conference in LA.  

Tom Martin – Solutions – Markets Gerber, Lakeland Fire – working on a non-fire response ensemble to limit the exposure to 1972 PPE. Discussed the SAFER Organization advantages.

Bill Black – Safety Components – Discussed the agencies using their fabrics being used by PPE manufactures. Related the new “Sigma” fabric (7 oz. for wildland PPE) originally a fabric used by military applications. Several colors are being offered: Yellow, Tan and Orange for prison crews. Relates the coloring is within the “fiber” not just dyed.

Scott Quinn – B/C LAFD – Discussed a recent “near miss” incident where a couple of FF’s partially fell through a roof. Related the PPE is the reason they’re not having funerals / retirements on the two members.


Next Meeting: Scheduled in Newport Beach – CANCELLED due to extreme deployments to wildfires throughout the state.

Meeting Adjourned: 1230 

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - September 2018

SAFER Meeting Minutes

September 21, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees: Vice President Weise ,Past President Gurrola, Wilkerson, Seely , Sharbo, Tracy Rabe   

Corona Fire Department @ Circle City Center

365 N. Main Street, Corona

0941    Meeting called to order – Vice President Weise, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, introduced Board Member Jeff Wilkerson who introduced A/C Cox who led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice. A/C Cox introduced Fire Chief Young who welcomed SAFER to the Corona Fire Department and related his appreciation of SAFER’s work.

**Thanks to Marken PPE ISP for morning hospitality.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – Just returned from an NFPA 1851 committee meeting in Fort Lauderdale. Dick related some changes in the standard that will soon be in effect. The new standard for Wildland PPE (NFPA 1877) will provide standards for SCAM of Wildland PPE. Standard for determining “cleanliness” are now available. Discussed the numerous test methods and “age standards” will be included in both standards. There is ongoing work on the issue of respiratory protection in the Wildland arena.

Cal-OSHA –  Scott Hudson (via email): Nothing to report

Vender Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  Reno November 6,7 & 8, 2018.

Safety and Training:


Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Tony Duran (Via email to board members) Savings and Checking was reported to Board Members (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons)

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 


Up Coming Event:

Behavioral Health Conference – October 24 or 25, 2018 – 0900-1700 Hrs.

Hosted by Orange County Fire Authority

1 Fire Authority Road, Irvine 92602


Kim Lightley – USFS / Pineville Hotshots

South Canyon Fire on Storm King Mountain Survivor – NFFF Stress First Aid for Wildland Firefighters


Battalion Chief Joe Krebbs and Firefighter Frank Ungaro – FDNY

Founders of Peer and Family Support Services FDNY (established 9/12/2001)


Fire Chief Frank Babinec and Captain Chris Bator – Coral Springs – Parkland FD

Captain Bator – President of Florida Firefighters Safety and Health Collaborative


Captain Jeremy Hurd – Palm Beach County Fire Rescue

Mental Wellness Director of Florida Firefighters Safety and Health Collaborative


**To enroll, visit:



SAFER Meeting Program(s):

Marken PPE ISP 

Presented by: Jeremy Verderber of Marken PPE

Jeremy spotlighted some technologies being used to assess and improve cleanliness issues related to firefighter PPE.

**Video shown demonstrating laundry cleaning equipment:

New BASF “beads” are used to gently massage fabrics while being laundered. (The Zeros Technology) The beads are reusable (1000 washes or about 30 days) and are then remanufactured and reused. 800,000 beads used per use in the Marken ISP facility. These beads have been shown to help remove asbestos in PPE. Conventional technology also is also effective in removing asbestos but the Zeros Technology is much easier on retroreflective trims on PPE as well as less damaging to the underlying fabrics. The “massaging effects” of the beads on the fabric(s) has been shown to be beneficial in the laundering process. 


Corona FD - Lessons learned from Fires / Floods in the past two years

Presented by: Chief Cox – Corona Fire Department

A/C Cox related the recent activities the Corona Fire Department has had. They have opened the “EOC” eight times in the last year:

7 Stations, 7 engines 1 truck, 1 B/C – 170,000 population

  1. Canyon Fire (#1 & #2) – September 25, 2017

  1. Started in ORCO along 91 Frwy

  2. Wind reversal blew fire into Corona

  3. Activated Structure Protection Contingincy Paln

  4. No Structures Lost

  5. A few house damaged

Lessons Learned:

  1. Contigincy Pplan works

  2. Train, Train, Train

  3. Cal Fire / Firescope WUI Structure Defence Tactics

  4. Partnerships works, SOLAR response plan

  5. FMAG Approved, set up a plan and follow directions

  6. EOC Excercises are critical:

    1. PIO (Social Media)

    2. Reverse 911

    3. Logistics

    4. Traffic

  1. Jan Mudslides – January 8, 2018 – 1600 hours

  1. Contingency Plan

  2. Plan adoption and training

  3. Decision Points

  4. Evacuation Terminology – (using FIRESCOPE terminology)

  5. EOC Activation

  1. January 8, 2018, opened EOC and issued Evacuation Warning (Voluntary Evacuation)

  2. January 9th - , about 1530 hours received major rainstorm and a flash flood warning from the NWS – triggered a mandatory evacuation order.

Lessons Learned / Successes:

  1. Contingency planning works

  2. Pre-program reverse 911 when you can

  3. Stay on top of social media

  4. Pre=plan CalFire hand crew contracts


  1. Social Media

  1. March Rain Event

  1. Predicted large rainstorm

  2. EOC Activation

  3. Major event didn’t occur

  1. Skyline Fire – July 19, 2018

  1. Tin Mine Canyon / Skyline Truck Trail (Popular Hiking trail)


  3. 282 Acres, 4-day fire

  4. Potential for a few thousand acres

  5. Fire ran downhill / Elsinore effect

  6. Evacuations of about 150 structures

  7. No structures lost, very minor damage (retardant

  8. Early Unified Command

  9. Lots of Resources

  10. ICP moved away from fire area back to a fire station

  11. Use of brand new XRI Management Team

  12. Corona OEC Management watch, good PIO coordination,

  1. Research Fire – August 2, 2018

  1. Approx. 15 acres

  2. Good use of aircraft

  3. Several hundred structures potentially threatened

  4. Evacuations considered but not orders

  5. Lots of hose use , tasked the agencies hose

  1. Rincon Fire x2 – August 6

  1. About 40 Acres

  2. No aircraft available (eventually got a firehawk, thanks to LA CO FD

  3. 20 total engines used

  4. Several homes and a three story framed new construction apartment complex threatened

Lesson Learned:

  1. Good pre-fire planning

  2. Good aggressive firefighting

  3. Ran out of hose!

  4. Second operational period


  1. Holy Fire -

  1. Started same day as Rincon Fire

  2. Fire never impacted Corona

  3. Impacts: local events cancelled, traffic


Busy Summer! Issues going forward;

  1. Lots of crews on strike teams

  2. Fatigue  - resting in stations

  3. Pulling and cleaning hose

  4. Use of Acting B/C’s

  5. Enough Utility Vehicles

  6. Logistical support

1130 Adjourn to network with equipment venders

1200 Return to roundtable:


Paul Laker -  Workrite – Has new dual compliant PPE,.

Chief Tony Pighitti -  Santa Barbara City

Steve Hanks – SCOTT Safety - New pro airpack out, will comply with new SCBA NFPa

B/C Barry Owens Cal Fire Riverside – Available to assist with other agencies.

Brent Nunez - Torrance Fire – Developing a CA prevention policy. NH3 ongoing today (Tony Duran)

Sabastian – Fillmore Fire :

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire : 3 new paid firefighters added to roster, (6-7 persons a day) Will be hiring- FF-1 & EMT-1 required. Looking for type 3 units

Kelly Whitt Dupont – Working on Nomex with new liner with less weight. Dupont wants to support FF with

Tracy Rabe – Linegear : Has new catalog of product line.

Gail Mills – Mills Custom Art: Has array of professional poster depicting career highlights and professional gear.

Jeremy Verderber -  (Retired Corona B/C) – Now Merkan Rep – Open to tour facilities at Merkan PPE ISP here in Corona.

Tom Martain – Responded Solutions: Black Diamond, Night Stick, Shelby, Lakeland Fire, Gerber, Nupla products reversible high visibility jackets, many other products related to emergency operations.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry solutions : new FireLink software to allow scanning individual PPE elements for recording keeping.

Scott Estrada FIREETC –San Diego : They stock all fireground equipment and Class A foam inventory. Has Citrosquese

Bill Ward – PumpPod USA, giving demonstrations to numerous fire service agencies of their pump training / testing units as well as water source units for refilling helicopter’s.  (HeloPod) Will be at CalChiefs meeting next Thursday to show their units

Mike Schlaggs – Cobra Litters : Has built the perfect wheeled liter system, Showed the product in many scenarios via a promotional video system. Unit is uniquely designed for logistical transport – patient transport – crew transport scenarios.

Brent – Red Equipment Group -KME,

Next Meeting: Carlsbad Fire Department in November


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - August 2018

SAFER Meeting Minutes

August 17, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees:  Past President Duran , President Quinn,  Wilkerson, Seely , Vendor Liaison Sposato, Russ Snyder   

Orange County Fire Authority Headquarters / Training Center

0940    Meeting called to order – President Quinn, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Russ Snyder led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice. Assistant Chief Sanchez welcomed SAFER to the OCFA and related his experience with SAFER as a young firefighter and realizing the value of the organization as he grew and promoted within the OCFA. He thanked the fire service membership and venders for attending the meeting today -.  “Make a change for the better”. He related the importance of the efforts being made to prevent the occurrences of Cancers in our profession.


Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – Absent - Nothing to report

Cal-OSHA –  Scott Hudson (via email): A Grant opportunity to Provide Health and Safety Training:

OSHA Susan Harwood Training Grant Program is accepting applications to provide training and education programs. State or local government agencies are not eligible to apply. So, your fire department would not be eligible, but employer associations and labor unions would be. So, your fire unions could apply for this grant. There is not much time but maybe there might be a current program that could qualify.

If interested you can go to the OSHA website or call 847-759-7700. Applications are due by September 2nd.

If you have any questions. Please let me know

Vendor Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  FRI last week in Dallas, was well attended. Reno November 6,7 & 8, 2018. Grants are being awarded for facilities. Recommends getting a professional grant writer to help with your grant applications. (Over 90% success). Vendors need to be members of SAFER ($100 / Year) to help support the ongoing SAFER program.

Safety and Training: Nothing reported

Apparatus: Nothing reported

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Savings and Checking was reported to meeting attendees. (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons)

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 


Up Coming Event:

Behavioral Health Conference – October 24 or 25, 2018 – 0900-1700 Hrs.

Hosted by Orange County Fire Authority

1 Fire Authority Road, Irvine 92602


Kim Lightley – USFS / Pineville Hotshots

South Canyon Fire on Storm King Mountain Survivor – NFFF Stress First Aid for Wildland Firefighters


Battalion Chief Joe Krebbs and Firefighter Frank Ungaro – FDNY

Founders of Peer and Family Support Services FDNY (established 9/12/2001)


Fire Chief Frank Babinec and Captain Chris Bator – Coral Springs – Parkland FD

Captain Bator – President of Florida Firefighters Safety and Health Collaborative


Captain Jeremy Hurd – Palm Beach County Fire Rescue

Mental Wellness Director of Florida Firefighters Safety and Health Collaborative


**To enroll, visit:





Program: Cancer Prevention in the Fire Service

Presented by: Captain Jeff Hughes – OCFD & Dr. Jeffery Burgess

Capt. Hughes (OCFA) opened the presentation on the status of the OCFA Cancer Awareness / Prevention program(s). Capt. Hughes related the evolution of the OCFA’s program and its openness to offer “lessons learned” from their experience(s). OC has an individual with an “Industrial Hygienist” background in their Risk Management Department. He discussed the new video the agency produced dealing with cancer.

Insert Video here:

“Two out of three professional firefighters will be diagnosed with cancer in their lives”

PowerPoint Notes:

“Taking a Stand Against Cancer “ – The Organizational Changes

August 2017 SAFER Meeting Presentation

New OCFA Cancer Awareness Video

Instructor Lead CA


CDC States that man have a 1 in 2 lifetime risk of developing CA

Firefighter’s have a 9% higher risk of getting Ca and 14% higher risk of dying from Cancer.

Risk Management Options – Hierarchy of controls slide shown

Org changes vs Cultural changes slide shown.

OCFA Gold Standard: Discussed OCFA CAPP components / SOP’s:

  1. Create emotional impactful video

  2. Deliver instructor lead awareness to all members

  3. Branding Campaign

  1. Posters

  2. Clean Air

  3. Clean Body

  4. Clean Gear

  1. Policies & Procedures

  2. State and National Outreach

  3. Selection Care and Maintenance of Protective Ensembles for Structural FF

  1. PPE Exchange Programs – Second Set,  Flash Hoods, Structure Gloves, Helmet liners

  1. Respiratory Protection

  2. Use of Multi-Rae 6 gas monitor

  3. Use of Exhaust Extraction (DRAFT)

  1. Proper Use of System

  2. Pneumatic

  3. Magnetic

  4. Preventative Maintenance Program

  1. Post fire Decon Procedures (DRAFT). Video being developed.

  1. “While effective at removing PAH had no apparent effect on VOC concentrations as decontaminated gear provided similar off gas levels as the gear…”

  2. “Cleansing wipes were able to reduce PAH contamination on neck skin by a median of 54%” (Removing Metal Oxides is the goal)

  3. Clean CAB measures – SCBA & other contaminated gear OUTSIDE of crew cabs.

  4. Exposure Reporting:


  2. California Professional Firefighters PER

  3. CSFA

  1. Asbestos Exposure During Emergency Incidents (DRAFT)

  1. Suspected in structures built pre-1980

  2. Deconstructing is what we do

  3. Firefighters have more than 100% greater risk of getting mesothelioma

  4. 30-50 year latency period

  5. Asbestos testing is available, but tedious to perform. – New ISP is available in Corona who can test and clean PPE with asbestos exposure.

  1. How clean is clean?

  2. ISP’s

  3. Sampling Procedures

  4. What about other tools and equipment?

  1. Micro Learning

  1. “Potty” Training

  2. 52 Small Training Nuggets

  3. “QR” Code training products

  4. Video or written

  1. Investigators

  1. SCBA Use

  2. PAPR / w-CBRN Filters

  3. Wipes

  4. Decon for Work Vehicles

  5. PPE DECON (Periodic)

  1. NESTE Renewable Fuel

  1. 100% renewable & Sustainable

  2. Up to

  3. ....

  1. FACE Team:

  1. 30 Members Strong

  2. Decentralizes Work

  3. Training Opportunities

  1. Vehicle DECON

  1. Equipment exposed ….

  1. Research Projects

  1. Statistical Power

  2. Incidence VS Mortality

  3. Examination of risks in other groups

  1. Control for potential bias – “Healthy Worker Effect”

DR. Jeff Burgess MD, MS, MPH - University of Arizona

Dr. Burgess Conducting research and analysis of Firefighter Health and Safety related to toxic / carcinogen exposure(s).

  1. Evaluate carcinogen exposures

  2. Measure biomarkers of carcinogenic (epigenetic_ effect)

  3. Reduce fire service carcinogenic  exposures

  4. Inhalation and dermal exposure


  1. Fireground Urinary PAH-OH Results slide shown – notable observation was engineers had similar results. Tucson FD now has pump operators on SCBA. Investigators now wear smaller “industrial” SCBA’s and Tyvek suits.

  2. 1-Naphthol slide showed results of intervention effectiveness in Tucson, AZ.

Cancer Pathways – Latency period 5-30+ years 

  1. Exposure

  2. Cellular

  3. Cancer

Epigenetic Changes –

  1. Changes in gene expression with changes in DNA sequence


MicroRNA Results showed incumbent firefighters genetic changes are related to Cancer occurance.

Firefighter Cancer Cohort Study (>10,000 subjects) was described by Dr. Burgess. Program goals and aims were shown.

Colorectal Cancer is 30% increase in firefighters – is “low handing fruit” in the battle against Cancer.

Other chemicals and known carcinogens are possibly going to be added to the studies at the request of stakeholders (CPF, IAFF and others).

Question: is exposure to “purple water” being used for training at risk for firefighters?

Answer: This has not been studied by the above study programs but he wanted to follow-up with the questioner. Note: “purple water – reclaimed waste water” does NOT meet AWWA standards for domestic use.

Question: Have there been any studies on the use of sauna after fire incidents?

Answer- No data yet, but Tucson, AZ is conducting a local study at this time.

Question: Has fire scene contamination transfer to station vistors, family and citizen – patients been documented.

Answer: Tests have been done to demonstrate the transfer using a dye material. 


How can you dispel the notion that a particular station is a “Cancer Cluster” workplace.

Dr. Burgess related that epidemiologist’s typically study and identify “Cancer Clusters” after study of occurrences. Epidemiologists are available through Health agencies, Universities and NIH.


Captain Hughes related his availability to present this program to other agencies or to share program resources with others.

Captain Jeff Hughes – OCFA – Operations Training and Safety

(714) 573-6756

(949) 560-7197





Steve Hoyle – California Fire Museum

Jack Koltaj – Ventura County Federal FD

Cristina Hero Wipes – Acquired Rescue wipes , Now DBA Rescue Wipes, Has Fire Decon and EMS Decon Wipes.

Tracy Rabe – Line Gear – New Catalog available

Jon Hunter – Swede Rescue Systems – Has a line of Swedish Rescue Equipment – Has a new Decon system to clean tools, SCBA Masks etc..Known as Solar Rescue

Dr. Burgess – Thanked SAFER for the opportunity to present his study information.

Jeff Wilkerson Camp Pendleton (Retired) - Calif Fire Museum moving along slowly.

Bill  Ward – Pump Pod - Helo Pod developed (A dip tank device)           Has a system to pump test, train pump ops and save water.

Steve Hanks – SCOTT Safety – Discussed XP-Pro has a removable harness and waist pad for decontamination. Demonstration units are available.  

Russ Snyder – ORCO – Nothing to add.

Justin Carr – Newport Beach – First time at SAFER – Hosting SAFER in November.

Kirk Owen – Veridian – Update on 1851 – Meeting Sept in Fort Lauderdale to finalize updates on 1851, release expected next year. Study Identified hazardous material on gear, how to clean and how to measure cleanliness. Best practices are being defined, maintenance standards and methods. Cleaning techniques must be accredited as being effective.

Jordan Evans – Citrosqueeze – Developed a Gross Decon SOP available.  

Bob Wood – CalFire Riverside – Has Double set of PPE per employee. Have new extractors in several spots in the organization including the drill tower. Has cooling containers for heat injury prevention.  All tees shirts are being background printing instead of solid printed.

Joe Sposado – AllStar Fire Equipment – Related SAFER has been in front of the PPE SCAM standard from the beginning. CalFire should be getting their SCOTT SCBA’s soon since

Tony Duran – LACoFD (Retired) – now with NH3 Institute: Classes: Torrance Fire next month (1/2 day) Check website for NH3 link.

Michele Trout – Lion Gear – Complimented Dr. Burgess for his efforts for firefighter safety, NFPA ensemble available .

Jim Cleary – Plymovent – Related the exhaust extraction systems are very important to reduce Cancer occurrences’ in the fire service. Jim related he appreciates the friendships and business opportunities within the SAFER community.  

Jeremy Verderber – Marken ISP – In Corona, can clean asbestos.

Bret Nunez – Torrance FD – Thanked OCFA for hosting. Torrance had units out at statewide fire incidents including overhead assignments.   

Next Meeting: Corona Fire in September

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes -May 2018

SAFER Meeting 5/18/18 

Start 0940 Gurrola presiding , thank you to VCFD Chiefs for refreshments, lunch provided (Taco Man) – Louis Garcia and VVG Truck and Western States Fire Equip.

Present: K. Gurrola, IPP, T. Duran, Treasurer, T. Rabe, Social Media Director, J.Wilkerson, Board Member, R. Szczepanek, Board member, plus 32 (see roster)

Absent: S.Quinn (excused), D. Weise (excused), C. Seely (excused), J.Sposato (excused)

Pledge and MOS

BC Rob Szczepanek provided introduction to facility

Intro BC McNeil to VCFD facility and department and topic “Thomas Fire”, multiple presenters, Latigo facility, (1/30 VCFD facilities) - Welcome


Business meeting:

                Intro of SAFER, since 1976

                OSHA – no report, Tony gave overview of what to expect when an inspector arrives.  Keith talked about a recent incident of a person who had “cramping”, hospital diagnosed “dehydration” don’t use “heat stress or heat exhaustion” in your reports of FF injuries or they will initiate a Cal/OSHA inquiry.

                Apparatus – (Rob) new seats and LED lights in their rigs.  Keith – Fillmore FD is going away from SCBA seats and practicing a “clean cab” environment.  Many depts. are getting away from in-seat SCBA. The need for rapid donning is rare vs. Cancer exposure is quite high.  Jim recommended to get away from cloth seats for ease of cleaning.

                PPE/NFPA – Dick absent, Jason Rangel – specking out new uniform. SAFER to host PPE symposium maybe spring time.  Putting together a committee to put that together.  Resurrection of PPE on Traffic Collision incidents.  Most wear turnouts, made for structural FF.  Is there another garment better suited and less expensive?  May need a subcommittee to evaluate.  Dual compliant, EMS (Blood Borne Pathogen) compliant and flash fire protective.  Some agencies already using something.  Options are available.  Time to revisit, $$$ a factor.  NFPA 1851 going thru rewrite.  Will be a great document, 3 parts involved, one will be “onscene mitigation” also verified ISPs.  Higher level of evaluation.  How many departments are cleaning in house?  Need to go to ISP and ask if they are complying with clean regulations.  Will come out at end of 2018.  AB 2146 will begin (all about carcinogen consideration)

                Case study – VCFD FF went to TC, did not clean Turnouts before going to structure fire and turnouts ignited.  Rob S. also mentioned an incident where the left radio pocket burned away

                Vendor Rep – No report, next week EMS SHOW in Palm Springs area.

                Treasurer – Balances provide.  Dues payment available at meeting.  KG encouraged department membership.

                Technology – website being updated, FB and Twitter.  Travel mugs now available for sale on website.  FB – please “like”, Twitter – No Good, Instagram – OK

The Thomas Fire - 2018

The Thomas Fire - 2018


Presentation: DC John McNeil,  Thomas Fire 2017 this presentation to be adapted to what safer is more of interest (Vendors, FF safety, etc.)

                Multiagency – over 8k FF and staff at top of incident

                VCFD Op area includes all agencies involved ( LE, fire, Feds, etc.) No boundaries – closest resource concept.   Not so in "old days”  now an integral part of all large incidents.  Partner agency relationships.

Ventura County Operational Area

Ventura County Operational Area


                2 Public agency dispatch centers – Ventura County Sheriffs (LE) and FCC, communications always a factor in all incidents.  In this area this was successful as they work together on a regular basis daily.  In this multiagency incident they worked well together within the OP area.

                Partner Agencies began getting together well before the incident as they recognized potential weather.  Constant coordination created a mire successful outcome int his incident.  Coming together and talking before the incident occurs creates the potential for a better outcome.  Draw up agreements prior to the incident.

                Fire History:  Not new (map of area overlaid with current and previous fires).  Five-year Drought, “global warming” concept.  Largest fires in California, Ventura has had 3/top 11.

Ventura County Fire History

Ventura County Fire History


               Preparatory Actions:  Agency expectations, SA, exercise relationships, Investment in CICCS, Emergency plans manual.  Weather was expected, no real surprise when it arrived.  Some of magnitude was surprising, no past slides to compare with current situation.  Joint agency relationships are now common place and works well (challenge in the past).  CICCS qualifications played critical role placing qualified personnel in critical positions.  Must be committed well in advanced due to time it requires to become qualified.  Great investment!  BC Fred Burris first onscene and worked with people he recognized due to past training and exercises and incidents.  Successful in relation to no injuries, equipment protection, etc.  Emergency Plans allowed for appropriate pre-positioning before fire began.  Requires $$$ commitment by FC but paid off in this case.

                Initial actions:  Staffed up prior to, fire started Dec 4 at 6:30 (after dark) 

                Fire Progression – 63, 000 acres in first day, 32, 900+ acres on second day , peak at Dec 10th at 60,800 ac, lasting thru Dec 24th fro total of. Access was challenging as main road to Ojai (second start) was impacted, Hwy 150.

                Branch Mgt – Thesis by Mike Rohde, 122 pages with 15 Page summary.  Published in FH magazine and NFA curriculum.  Not used by many agencies.  ICS normally builds from “bottom – up” this concept turns on that.  Succession plan is critical for all agencies. KG given credit for foreseeing the need for the qualification of personnel before CICCS.  Departments have to commit to training their people in incident team training, FTX and incidents outside of local jurisdictions.  Newly hired talent often come with varied experiences that should be captured and used by the agencies that hired them. Use the talents that your personnel bring with them.

                There were situations where personnel were sent where they would be dependent 100%  on their PPE and safety gear for their survival.  Duty to act requires action even when risk is high.  Confidence in PPE is paramount!  Priority is to save lives, including the evacuation of personnel within apparatus.  Message for evacuation must get out early (only one part) executing the request is the key piece.  Success of execution was due to collocating key personnel (LE) in CP to execute the order.  Use the PA to get the word out, clear direction to the public were most successful.

                Lessons Learned:  Early resource orders, Draw your box quickly, regardless of fire conditions, Write on the map and communicate the box, Branch early, Gauge rates of spread to the impacts, early evacuation orders, Ability to disengage and redirect, Communicate mission, overall purpose and expected results, Don’t wait to bring partners into the the plan.

Lessons Learned

Early resource orders

•Draw your box quickly, build it regardless of fire conditions

•Get info down on the map and communicate the box

•Branch early

•Gauge the rates of spread to the impacts

•Early evacuation orders

•Ability to disengage and redirect

•Communicate the mission, the overall purpose and the expected results

•Don’t wait to bring partners into the plan

Final Tally

281,893 acres

1063 structures destroyed

280 structures damaged

2 fatalities

BC Mike Weisenburg talked about presentation re: “Oil Fire Seeps” oil fire subsurface and how they were able to control. 

Tour of facility

Round Table:

Keith problems with Drip-Drop – deal with individual's fitness

Tony ASTI continues to provide training to refrigeration and agriculture industry  personnel, as well as, emergency responders for Anhydrous Ammonia leaks.  LACoFD to accept applications in June.

Oxnard FD – All going well

Steve Hoyle – CA Fire Museum San Diego

Jeff Wilkerson - ret CPFD, VP with museum

Jason Rangel VCFD – gross decon policies, researching respiratory protection in wildland

Hector Garica – looking at hoods, prevent from vetter (?)

Christina Hero WipeRes (decon wipes) launched last October . Lab testing behind wipes proving efficacy

Tyler Miller VCFD – fire controller with wildland division.  PPE during saws nicked himself but chaps saved him from serious injury.  "Get rid of “two-strap” chaps" - K. Gurrola

Steve Swindoll VCFD –

Steve Cooley Cobra litter – good for victim extraction and moving equipment up to 800 #

Mike Schlaggs – inventor of COBRA litter, stretcher add on. Adding super-fabric for motorcycle gear to prevent chaffing and rat damage (during storage).  All things developed through FF input

Amir – Skylift (UAV) ran tests with SDFD with delivery of hose packs.  Cut time in half.

KG – next month LAFD meeting and UAV presentation.

Jim Evans (solutions safety) – gross decon kits exploding across the country.  Take look at configuration – 'square instead of round' fit better in rigs.  Huge trend in used turnout gear and hose being turned into inside plastic gear (souvenir items).  Tests run which turn water black, these products are being taken into homes.  Coasters made of old fire hose turned water black.  CLEAN YOUR GEAR!

Bestways LS – ERIC

Louis Garcia – Weastern fire apparatus – issues with evacuation requires building relationships prior to evacuation need

Tracy Rabe - Linegear – new Mystery Ranch modular fire web gear.

Kelly Witt - Workrite – based in Oxnard, Oct 1 purchased by BF 1.  Workrite will remain in tact and in good hands. HQ moving to Nashville, Oxnard plant will shut down but product will continue.  Kelly will continue to be SoCal representative.

Steve Hanks SCOTT rep for SoCal – released new SCBA,built on trusted features with slight tweaks.  New harness now removable without tools for easy cleaning.

Pete Jensen VCFD HMC – nothing to add, exercise May 22nd with Port Hueneme. May 23rd is MAST EXPO in Pt Hueneme corporate office, designed for vendors mainly related to port security.

Chuck Pike VCFD

James Allen warehouse sup for VCFD

Jim Roth Storm King Mtn tech – fire barrier curtains, during evacuations in Australia, eight civilians sheltered inside fire engines with fire curtains survived.  Rain dance aerial incendiary machine in UAV recently approved in Australia.  Working to get approved in USA.  Looking for instructors for wildland fire instructors per NCWG standards. Beginning a new fire academy

Charlie Turansky with LN Curtis – new wildland, particulate hoods, taskforce tips has decon kit (new) LACOFD testing

Rob Szczepanek

Rob McNeil – long duration effort to decon during long term incidents will be helpful.

Shawn Feeney VCFD IT –

Jeff Shade VCFD

Bill Ward – Pump Pods – Firehouse world delivered fire unit and full demo, featured in CSFA magazine.  Glendale just submitted orders.  FFW meeting introduced dip tank and portable cistern system

Rick Holman ALLSTAR –

Mike Weisenberg VCFD – Should be seeing more of VCFD personnel at SAFER meetings, FF Academy going thru now, new BC test, engineers academy in September, captains academy in fall, gearing up for new fire season.  Welcoming Santa Paula into VCFD mold. 

Presentation mug to DC McNeil by Keith

Lunch, vendor visit and tour of facility.

Meeting adjourned 11:45 hours.

Next meeting:  LAFD at Frank Hotchkins.


Respectfully submitted,

Tony Duran, Treasurer, acting secretary

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - April 2018

San Miguel Consolidated Fire Protection District

San Miguel Consolidated Fire Protection District


SAFER Meeting Minutes

April 20, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Quinn, Past President Gurrola, Seely, VP Weise, Wilkerson, Szczepanek , Communications / Social Media Liaison Rabe   

San Miguel Fire Consolidated Fire Protection District Sta 15  – Admin Headquarters

2850 Via Orange Way, Spring Valley, CA 91978

1000    Meeting called to order – President Quinn opened the meeting and related the meeting agenda and introduced Fire Chief Brainard who welcomed the attendees and related he recently learned 61% of FF deaths are from Cancer and encouraged the fire service to improve that number. Chief Marugg who led the pledge of allegiance and moment of silence then introduced David Picone the SDFD – Health and Safety Officer.   

  • Thanks to San Miguel Fire for the morning hospitality and MES / Fire Etc for lunch.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – Updated the meeting attendees on the status of the NFPA 1877 standard development. This proposed “Wildland SCAM” document will include a “performance” standard for fire shelters. How clean is clean? Single Layer concept is a current”1977” topic and is often adopted by agencies. New wildland gear is much lighter, more comfortable but offer superior protection. Dick related the issue of cross-contamination and the methods used to limit / eliminate risks to crews and the public.

  • Public input is currently available on-line for 1877 standard.

CalOSHA –  No committee report available.

Apparatus – Rob – Related he is now monitoring the Fire Mechanics forum.  

 Safety and Training- No specific committee report.

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Given by B/C Guinn for Tony Duran – Reminder to please pay your annual dues!

Communications – Tracy / Tony:

Vendor Liaison – Gabe for Joe, FDIC this week. FH World will be in LA next year.

*FDIC is at the end of April 27, 28 & 29 in Indianapolis.  

Program: General Decon and Best Practices to Keep Gear and Crews Clean

Chief Marugg – Dave Picone SDFD H&S Officer & FF Truver

Video showing “contamination” (shaving cream) and the numerous routes common PPE contamination can take into the workplace. (from SFFD). The contrast was shown between “no decon” and “proper decontamination”.   


Chief Marugg related the agencies period as a CalFire affiliate and explained the evolution of new procedures / sog’s since reformation as an independent consolidated agency. Related recent injuries / illnesses experienced by crews at various incidents.

Described their migration to new PPE ensembles under wildland scenarios and related the various techniques and methods being employed to protect crews from known carcinogens and toxics.  

Chief Marugg introduced San Diego Fire & Rescue Health and Safety Officer, Dave Picone, who related the new techniques /methods being employed by SDFD in concert with their Relief Association. (CAP Program)

  • Two sets of PPE, two sets of hoods and B/C carries a cache of hoods for replacement as required.

  • Extractors being installed

  • Wipes for “in-field decontamination”- on rigs, in stations, with decon units.

Chief Dave Picone introduced FF Truver who explained the components of their new H & S procedures. (FF Truver is the secretary of the Relief Association)

Posters from the SDFD workplace(s) were distributed to attendees showing the “Three C’s” – Clean Air - Clean Body –Clean Gear”:

Clean Air:

  • SCBA used Throughout Overhaul

  • 100% Exhaust Extractor use

  • Mindful of exhaust flow

Clean Body:

  • Gross Decontamination

  • Action Wipes

  • Strip Down and Bag Turnouts

  • Shower ASAP

Clean Gear:

  • New Hood

  • Break Turnouts apart & wash

  • Use Citro-Squeeze

  • Run and empty load after PP washing


  • Rotate crews during overhaul

  • Consider remaining assigned to incident after released for personal decontamination as needed

  • Prolonged incident , most contaminated back to quarters for personal decontamination

After exiting a fire environment they remove their helmet and hood, wipe down face and neck with cleansing wipes to reduce the amount of carcinogens in contact with the vulnerable skin surface(s). FF Cancer in the lymph nodes is a major illness in our population.  The goal is to remove as much of the “heavy metals” from the skin. (Learned from Military experience handling munitions)

The typical equipment provided to every unit was demonstrated:

  • Citro-Squeeze spray bottle

  • Cleansing Wipes

  • Brush(s)

  • Bags to capture contaminated PPE

  • Spare Hoods (in bag)


Discussions are ongoing for adopting specific methods into the Wildland scenario – Type 3 units. Crews at stations with Type 3 units are issued two sets of Wildland jackets, one of pants.

BC Quinn explained the long term effort is to reduced risks incrementally, big issues first then continue solve the smaller issues while moving towards “best practices” in all areas.

SDFD is reviewing data from previous years:

  • Hoods

  • Boots (rubber vrs leather)

  • Illnesses

  • Injuries  


  • IAFC Safety Stand-down Week of 6/17/2018


1045 Meeting to venders in apparatus bay

1120 Round Table:


Scott Quinn- Bat Chief LAFD: (4 yrs risk mgmt, litigation etc.) Feel free to call if he can help with any agencies H&S program. Related recent accidents at LAFD  (1) Dozer roll-over, (2) structure fire with a propane tank BLEVE.

Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton Fire – Related personal experiences with Ca in his fire “family”. Thanked SG and complimented SDFD for its wellness efforts.

Miamonte – Drone manufacture, can haul hose, other logistical items to crews via UAV’s.

Rameriz – Filmore Fire PIO – nothing to add.

Rob Szczepanek -  Ventura County Fire – Conducting a “Whole Dept.” review of Thomas Fire “lessons learned”.

Dick Weise - LACoFD – Relate AB2146 is being pushed through legislature – requires NFPA standard(s) adoption. LACoFD is going to morning pride PPE. LACoFD is expecting lots of turnover in the next few years. Will be adding Station 100 in one of the beach cities later this year.

Brian Bulger – Retired Ventura Co.

Kieth Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – June 30 is their golf tournament, Looking for used TIC’s and Gas Monitors. Needs some new “used” Type 6 engines.

Bill Ward – Pump Pod USA – Sacramento will be delivering unit(s) , 15 quotes out, several agencies are committed to purchase. Is demonstrating their units are numerous venues.

Jim – Viejas reservation – Hiring medics.

National city FD – Took over PPE officer 9 months ago and is learning a lot from other local agencies. Is seeing changes in old H&S culture towards a more healthy

Mark Beverage – National City- Discussed the changes being made in favor of better H&S. Complimented his PPE Captain on his contributions. Related his superiors are learning the benefits

Dave Picone – SDFD – Related they are developing a LOOD procedure / policies and are looking for other agencies programs.  B/C Quinn related LAFD’s experiences with “LOOD Investigations”and the importance of assistance of other agencies with expertise in specific areas.

Rich Smith – Lakeside FD – Discussed compatibility of various SCBA’s “Buddy Breather” fittings. Rich related  the issue in light of other department’s equipment not being connectable.  Cancer on forehead and in the groin area are the most common in the firefighter demographic. .

Brent Waddy – Lakeside Fire – Works in PPE are with Rich.

Chris – Lakeside FD – Has taken over PPE program from a retiring Captain several years ago. Lakeside is trying to stay on track with H&S “best practice’s in the fire service. Related the SDFD has been a big benefit to the area in this area.

Jordan Evans – Citro-Squeeze- Related they are now on Facebook, Twitter etc. network the H&S messages. Recommended a “decon kit” shown in the vender area.

Jim Evans – Citro Squeeze – Jim related the company’s growth in the field of H&S over the last 25 years. Added clean gear is for more than just Cancer, but many other illnesses and diseases.

Paul Laker – VF Workwear – Purchased Workrite Uniforms. Kelly Whitt will still be with the company.

Eric Higgins – Uni-Mac Extractor Sales – Complimented SG CFPD – Related new capabilities and features available to comply with 1851

Steve -  Scott Representative for Southern California. NFPA is working to standardize the RIC / Buddy Breathing connection. Complimented SDFD on their Ca / Health Program. Added the new Scott air pack has a fully removable waist belt and harness ensemble for washing in an extractor.

Gabe – AllStar Fire Equipment – PPE August – All PPE must meet 2018 standard, exception – may ship product within its 10 year like span.

Bill Black – Safety Components – Manufacture of Nomex for belt / harness ensemble for SCOTT SCBA’s. Introduced a new 5 ½ oz fabric (sigma) for wildland gear (1977 standard) that is very comfortable and Brian – San Miguel Fire -durable.

Brian  - San Miguel fire – Nothing to add.

Bill - MES – Represents Scott and Morning Pride PPE

Chase Powell – SoCal PPE – Appreciates the networking

Scott - Fire Etc – Retired CalFire , Started SoCal PPE after a Cancer diagnosis and subsequent retirement. Has Decon Kits available for gross decon on rigs. The “Kit” Contains tools and cleaning solutions for decontamination for around $100 to produce your own.

Chief Marugg – Thanked the venders for contributions to the SAFER group.


Next meetings:

Ventura Co FD – Regional Training Center – Thomas Fire, Oil patch fire. May 18th .

LAFD – Frank Hotchkin Memorial Training Center - UAV Program – June 15th







SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Meeting adjourned: 1200


            SAFER April 20, 2018

San Miguel Consolidated Fire Protection District

Agency / Co                             NAME                          PHONE #                                 EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)                        Chuck Seely                 (949) 492-7993             

Quala-Tel                                Frank Uram                 8585772900                  

Bestway Laundry Solutions     Eric Higgins                 1-800-542-6166            

Camp Pendleton Fire ret        .Jeff Wilkerson                        949-830-087                  

LineGear Rire & Rescue Equipmen    tTracy Rabe     949-230-5610                

Workrite                                  paul laker                    9513170606                  

Fire-Etc                                    Scott Estrada               6194033442                  

MES                                         Bill Zamudio                6197261050                  

AllStar Fire Equip.                   Gabe Sayegh               6262550431                  

Mark Sheldone            760-505-3473                

LineGear Fire & Resque Equipment   Tracy Rabe      949-230-5610                

National City FD                      Matthew Lucas           619-599-3038                

LACoFD                                    Dick Weise                  951-807-1914              RWEISELACOFD@YAHOO.COM

San Miguel Fire & Rescue      Brian Bayne                619-654-3746                

SoCal PPE                                Chase Powell               619-733-3808                

Lakeside Fire Prot Dist            Richard Smith             6193902350                  

Lakeside Fire Prot Dist            Brent Watte                6193902350                  

Naitonal City Fire Dept           Mark Beveridge          6193364555      

Lakeside Fire Prot Dist            Chris Downing             619-390-2362    

Viejas Fire Dept                      JimBingham                619-743-1863    

PumpPodUSA                          Bill Ward                     949-246-6999    

CitroSqueeze                           Jordan Evans               619-607-5305               



SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - February 2018

Glendale Fire Department

Glendale Fire Department


SAFER Meeting Minutes

February 16, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees:  Past President Duran , President Quinn, Seely, Snider, Past President Gurrola, Szczepanek , Vendor Liaison Sposato, Communications / Social Media Liaison Rabe   

Glendale Fire Department Sta 21 – Admin Headquarters

1000    Meeting called to order – President Quinn opened the February 2018 SAFER meeting and introduced Glendale Fire Department Deputy Chief Bill Lynch who  welcomed SAFER and began the meeting by leading the pledge of allegiance. He related Glendale Fire Department provides “all risk”  services to 32 square miles with 9 engine companies, 3 truck companies (4 man staffing - P/M Engines with private EMT-1s for transport). Glendale Fire Department is “A full service, all risk department”.  Thanks to Glendale Fire Department for hosting the February  2018 meeting of SAFER. Deputy Chief Lynch introduced the Glendale staff officers in attendance: Verdugo Fire Communications Deputy Chief lanzas, BC Chris Stavros A Platoon, Jeff Brooks Local Union President.

President Quinn related the recent improvements to the website and the move towards a new sign-in process.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – No NFPA report – Dick unavailable due to injury. Is at home reviewing select NFPA standards the NFPA is considering.

CalOSHA –  No committee report available. President related “What to do if CalOSHA comes knocking”. He related some of the characteristics a CalOSHA inspection that everyone should be aware of before allowing an inspection to begin.

Apparatus – No specific committee report.

 Safety and Training- No specific committee report.

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Doing OK, can take membership renewals here at meeting. Improvements on the website – let him know if you have any suggestions. Thanks to Tracy and Tony for work on the website.

Communications – Tracy / Tony:

Vendor Liaison – March 5, 6 & 7 Firehouse World in San Diego. This is the last year in San Diego, will be in Los Angeles beginning in 2019. Will be a three day FH World when it comes to LA. Joe believes the LA FH World will be a big improvement – second only to the FDIC.  Joe reminded everyone planning to attend FH World – San Diego to register on-line for free passes to show display floor as there will be an admission fee for those without advanced registration.  Pre-registration is free on-line, $25.00 at the door. President related the LAFD Chief has related to his staff that the FH World event will be a huge attraction with large participation.

Behavioral Health report: President Quinn related a wellness / behavioral program element will be added to our “Standing Committee”.

*FDIC is at the end of April 27, 28 & 29 in Indianapolis.  

Program: “Three Strikes, You’re Out” – Hazard Warning Standard

Brian Bulger – Retired Ventura County, FIRESCOPE Safety Specialist – Safety Subcommittee Chair, Type I Safety Officer, CA Interagency IMT Team (CIIMT) 4.

PowerPoints: (1) Tradgedy – Mark McCormack

                        (2) Train the trainer

                        (3) Self Taught Program

Related Gordon Crane (Unit Leader at a fire that involved LOOD’s) spoke at a meeting where a breakdown in communications and missed situational awareness resulted in the deaths of crew members in his command. 

Robert Saleb – Survivor of “Man Gulch Fire” @ age 17. Described his experience at that fire where the balance of the crew were killed. The  “10 Standard Fire Fighting Orders” were written after three fires : Rattlesnake Fire, The Man-Gulch Fire and ____.


(1) Mark McCormack – Santa Clara County Fire Department in bay area. Mark worked his way through several California Fire Departments, received several community awards and participated in agency committees. He was a frequent volunteer for community / fire service related initiatives.  

(2) Train the Trainer PP: Developed to help agencies state wide to utilize the “Tree Stripes, You’re Out” standard by Santa Clara County.

Swiss cheese Theory:

The US Air Force has a theory that it takes seven mistakes / errors to allow an accident to occur. The concept that when considering the ability of light to show through as multiple layers of cheese slices are added. Such is the likelihood of errors / omissions can add together to allow an accident to occur.

The specifics of the incident that Mark McCormack lost his life were related by the speaker using a plot plan of the property showing the location of the house and 12 KV powerlines above. The house had “packrat” conditions, well involved in fire in the darkness of night. Same crew had been to this address before on other responses. The Branch 1 Director and safety officer had knowledge of the 12 KV line that had fallen across the driveway from the power lines above, at about chest height. The Safety Officer laid out yellow tape to mark the hazard on the ground. Communications had dialogue about the power line over the tactical frequency. There was large fire flow being used to attack the structure fire which drained into the area of the downed wire(s). The victim had left the immediate area to get a new air bottle. A crew member walking through the area related he felt something hit his helmet as he walked through the hazard area – failed to contact enough to “go to ground”. A company member tried to prop the line back into the tree with a fiberglass pole to make a corridor to work through – he also didn’t go to ground. Mark walked by himself to look for a fellow crewmember and came into direct contact with the 12 KV for about 20 seconds. Damage to his gear showed the metal in his boots had melted into the concrete. CalOSHA sited Santa Clara County for several issues.

This was the incident that started the “Three Strikes, You’re Out” Hazard Identification Procedure.

The speaker demonstrated the use of the “single safety tape” as a safety barrier: It is met to keep “unauthorized personnel out” - most public safety personnel don’t honor the barrier tape to “them “as emergency workers.

The clearly identifiable method to assure that emergency personnel

President Quinn related a “Green Sheet” that LAFD has from an accident (façade collapse) that they are currently investigating. Injured 5, 3 with Fx bones.

***OSHA Check sheet(s) are available on line. They can be long and tedious but can be helpful.

CalOSHA will usually default to “General Industry Standards” when considering citations after an incident

***”The Three Strikes” Standard will be in the FIRESCOPE FOG manual and in NIIMS in next publication.

An issue with “Wildland Incidents” - where a hazard exists but can’t be effectively marked using “Three Strikes” techniques was discussed. In these incidents the hazard should be in all  Safety Statements, Morning Briefings, and clearly communicated to all incident participants.   

The standard is meant to be “all hazard” so any “color” of tape is acceptable but RED / BLACK is recommended when available.

The intent is that a method is used to communicate hazards to emergency workers by a clearly identifiable standard.   

1100 Meeting to venders

1145 Round Table:

Scott Quinn- Bat Chief LAFD: Recruiting beginning - look at LAFD website. Recommends beginning candidates apply and experience the process. Working to organize a seminar RE: FF CA Support Network, PPE Maintenance. 

Brian Bulger – Thanked the group for hosting the meeting on the Three Strikes initiative.

Keith Gurrola – Fire Chief Fillmore City – Looking to purchase some equipment items: (TIC) and gas monitors. Training is available in RENO for wildland.

Russ Snider ORCO – Recruit class just started 48 people, 10 new Type 1 Engines…

Kelly Witt – Workrite Uniform Co.- Will be at FH World

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Related 1851 is being finalized with strong language for equipment use for cleaning and defining decontamination types / levels / methods for various types of exposures. ISP’s will likely have to demonstrate effectiveness of their cleaning services. The “How clean is Clean?” questions discussed.

Jordon Evans – Solutions Safety- Related her position at SS, wants to develop as a reference source for the fire service.

Joe Sposato – AllStar – SCOTT EX3 PRO harness can be removed and laundered easily. Next SCBA change is supposed to make all SCBA’s inter-connectable for “buddy breathing” connections. NFPA chose the DRAGER connection which nobody in the Fire Service uses. 62% of all SCBA’s in US are SCOTT. This standard will likely be held up to remedy this issue.  

Lolo Hernandez – Acct Manager – Christian Brothers Mechanical Services (Nedermean Vehicle Exhaust Removal System)s – Related their company sells / installs exhaust removal systems – newest system allows faster response from station and is based on a magnetic link / connection.

Eric Higgins - Bestway Laundry Solutions:  Has equipment for PPE laundering, extractors, installation, service and coordination with Solutions Safety for Injector pumps. Will be at FH World.

Jack Koltaj – Fed Fire Ventura County – Changing PPE from silvers to structure fire turnouts.

Gail Mills – Scott Mills Prints - Thanks crews for work on recent fires, related her family has property in the fire area. Have posters for fire / law with individual identifiers / personalization’s for wall decoration. 

Mark Sheldone - Days Off Consultants – Related the products / lines Days Off represents.

Tracy Rabes – Line Gear – Related her product lines for wildland PP and FF gear

Bill Ward – Pump-pod USA – Related the uses / benefits  his test / fire flow trailer offers to fire / water agencies: Water conservation, Engineer Training – Testing, Pump Testing.

Mike Weisenberg – Ventura County Fire – Discussed the aftermath of the Thomas Fire his agency is working through. Related the Pump-Pod was very beneficial to engineer candidates who took their recent promotional test process. New recruit process will be starting soon. Getting two BlackHawk Helicopters. Annexation with Santa Paula is ongoing.

Hector Gonzales – Ventura County Fire –

Jim Cleary – Plymovent – Related the “Plymovent System” is widely used throughout the regional fire agencies.

Ashly Silcott – Curtis Fire Equipment – PPE Specialist - Related they will be at FH World.

Charles Turansky – Curtis – Showed new boot they will be showcasing at FH World. He discussed their hood product(s) with excellent performance numbers.

Louis Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Thanked Glendale for hosting, related the issue with plastic hoses mentioned last meeting that failed under fire condition’s during the recent wildland events.

Bob Mercurio – AllStar Fire – Discussed hood selections available through AllStar, demonstrated a new flexible light they’re showcasing. Will be at FH World.




SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Meeting adjourned: 1200

Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - January 2018


SAFER Meeting Minutes

January 19, 2018

SAFER Board Attendees:  Past President Duran , President Quinn, VP Wiese  Wilkerson, Seely, Past President Gurrola, Szczepanek , Vendor Liaison Sposato   

Vernon Fire Department Station 1 - Training Center

Vernon FD Live Fire Training Facility

Vernon FD Live Fire Training Facility


0935    Meeting called to order – President Quinn, Fire Chief Bruce English welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting  relating some unique features and the history of the Vernon Fire Department. He related the importance of “safety” issues in this highly industrial city. He revealed the department will be losing about 40% of his personnel in the next few years which is a significant “Safety Issue” for the agency.  Thanks to Vernon Fire Department for hosting the January Meeting of SAFER, use of the facility and continental breakfast / coffee hospitality.  

Past President Duran related the recent improvements to the website and the move towards a new sign-in process.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – The NFPA 1851 Committee met in LA last week. He related the importance of top quality PPE as seen in the recent fire experiences in Southern California.

New “Wildland” PPE (NFPA 1877) coming soon. Best practices for SCAM. Discussed each article of the ensemble must be laundered / inspected at least once a year.NFPA 1877 Committee will be meeting in Roleihle, NC later this year.

Helmets must be cleaned, liners removed and cleaned or replaced as need to remove toxins from the unit. Gloves cleaning and standards of cleanliness are being looked at for future 1851 standards.

“How clean is Clean?” It will take years to get where we need to get to our “best practices” goals.

ISP requirements were discussed

CalOSHA –  No committee report available.

Vender Liaison – Firehouse world first week in March in San Diego (Last time in San Diego). Apparatus – Ventura County related their experience in vehicle maintenance areas at the recent Thomas Fire Incident. They had a number of plastic air-line “burn trough’s” on various apparatus after exposure to flame contact. They are placing “covers” over the lines (brake lines etc.) Cost is around $100/ rig to protect these vulnerable plastic lines which can take an apparatus out of service. Vender related they are going to offer replacement materials to replace the plastic.

Safety and Training:

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – New year, please pay your annual dues. $1837 in checking acct / $ in Savings acct.  Scott related we’d like to present a “thank-you” item to hosting agencies / presenters this year.

Communications – Tracy / Tony:

Vendor Liaison – March 5, 6 & 7 Firehouse World in San Diego. This maybe the last year in San Diego. Joe reminded everyone planning to attend to register on-line for free passes to show display floor as there will be an admission fee for those without advanced registration.  Pre-registration is free on-line, $25.00 at the door. 

*FDIC is at the end of April 27, 28 & 29 in Indianapolis.  

Next Meeting : Glendale Fire Department -  Feb 17th.

Program: “The Vernon Fire Department Training Center ”

Vernon FD Burn Training Facility

Vernon FD Burn Training Facility


**Demonstration of the new Vernon Ventilation Prop

B/C Painton took the group on a tour of the several training (HazMat, Fire Control, Flash-over room, USAR) disciplines designed into this “SHSGP” Grant prop.  

**Insert Vernon Docs Here:

Informational Outline:


•          UASI Grant

•          HSGP Grant

•          City of Vernon

13.5 Containers

•          First floor- 6 Containers

•          Second Floor- 4 containers

•          Third Floor- 3 Container

•          Fourth Floor- ½ Container to roof access

Fire Training

•          Total of 5 burn areas

•          Propane fueled props

•          (2) 500 gallon propane storage tanks

•          Meets or exceeds NFPA 1402

First Floor

•          Two burn rooms

•          One roll-over hall way

•          Haz Mat Ammonia room- Leaks to pipes and valves

•          Office area

•          Interior staircase

•          HM Storage Room- High pressure gas cylinders, 55 gallon drums, totes and rack storage

•          Ceiling access to Nance prop

Second Floor

•          One Burn Room

•          One roll-over hallway

•          Rack Storage

•          Denver Window

•          Floor/Ceiling access for Nance Prop

•          Shallow pitch ventilation prop on exterior

•          Steep pitch ventilation prop on exterior

Third Floor

•          Fire Ground Survival\SCBA Confidence Maze with moveable walls

•          Balcony area open to exterior for ladder training

•          Floor access to Nance prop

•          Empty room for future improvement

•          Interior staircase

Fourth Floor

•          ½ container for roof access

•          Interior staircase

•          Storage

Roof Deck

•          Reinforced expanded metal decking to accommodate personnel

•          Anchor points for rope rescue training

•          Removable gate for rope rescue

Window\Doors above first floor

•          Anchor points above for belay\main line rope application

Exterior Staircase

•          Stairs to roof deck

•          Platform at each entry point to all floors

•          Standpipe with outlets at each floor



Brett Nunez – Torrance Fire – Recently got approval for two new extractors with $ from a federal grant.

John Harget – Ventura City Fire – Installing air scrubbers in all facilities, has done a cleaning of all facilities.

Tony Durran – LACoFD Retired / NH3 Institute – Provides training on handling Ammonia emergencies. 

David Mol – Industrial Scientific Instruments – Offers help to all agencies

Dick Weise LACoFD - related the effects of toxic smoke of FF Health. LACoFD Is having a new selection process for new FF’s. Squad was recently stolen while left running outside an emergency call. PPE contamination is a health concern for FF’s and the public we contact and transport.  

Mike Whitney – Battalion Chief Downey Fire – RTF 2 returning from Montecito today, related extensive support of recent wildland incidents. Downey will be buying “Wildland Helmets” for members who go on active incidents. Downey is  planning to implement a “single layer” pants (two per member).DFD has  7 recruits in recruit tower, having problems getting good candidates with FF-1 & EMT-P certification to apply.

Eric Higgins – Best-Way Laundry Solutions – Will be at FireHouse World , will show Scanning / Logging software for agencies PPE tracking needs.

Russ Snider – OCFA – Related their recent academy experiences as several quit / failed / hired by another dept.

Benita Beeman - MarKen - ISP is now in Corona on Grand Blvd. Currently in Las Vegas.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – Looking for checklists for Hoods, Gloves to solicit input from members. Looking for monitors.  Lost a monitor / defibrillator off tailboard. Door left open on rig which caused some damage.

Jordan – Fillmore Fire – On a strike team to Montecito to assist on mud / debris flow.

Scott Ramirez – Fillmore Fire.

John Price - MES / Honeywell – Thanks Chief English for hosting.

Tracy Rabe – LineGear – Has wildland equipment and is working with certification process for multiple NFPA classifications.

Frank – Communications – Related the “wind-screens” on radio microphones are a source of droplet contamination. Replacement or/or cleansing should be included in routine maintenance for employee wellness. 

Mark Shelton – Retired

Gabe – AllStar Fire Equipment – Related select Gear / Equipment currently available through AllStar Fire Equipment Company.

Bill Ward – Pump – Related uses of the pump-pod us which is on display behind Vernon Fire Station.

Joe Sposato – AllStar Fire Equipment – Related Scott is releasing a new cover for web harness that is removable for cleaning. New particulate reducing hood is being manufactured with new fabric with color-coded Inside/outside indicators. Recommended writing name on outside to better differentiate inside from outside.

Rob Mercurio – AllStar Fire – New employee, formerly from Turn-Out Maintenance Company.

Rob Szczepanek – Ventura County Fire – Related the department is recovering from the recent Thomas Fires. Will be buying two Blackhawk Helicopters, Pump Pods, Rain Gear.

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Related he’d used the burn rooms at TEEX and immediately sent the gear through the extractor station which the VERNON prop doesn’t require because the propane fueled prop’s represent no toxic hazard.

Jim Cleary – Plymovent – Related their system is widely used by the members of SAFER agencies. Related the AFG Grant is current open for submittals. Systems over ten years old qualify for replacement.

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Changing company name “  has new glove for review.

Kelly Whitt – Workrite Garments – Has been busy the last few years with single layer gear program and new NFPA certification standards.

Jordan Evans – Solutions Safety – Marketing for the company.

Fed fire Ventura County – Sent rigs to Thomas Fire and Montecito Incident.

Tom Wilson – CalFire Riverside – Dual academies running, 6 new soap pumps installed on their extractors, install HCN monitors in several stations to monitor gear. CalFire Riverside has contracted out for gas monitoring device calibration / maintenance. Had a Greensheet report for a FF burn injury during interior attack. Purchasing 50 hoods for a test batch – might use Survey Monkey to seek input from other agencies.

Steve Colley – Cobra Litters – Related capabilities of the Cobra Litter product including the characteristics of the “balloon tires” on the units as well as unique configurations for specific missions.

Scott Quinn – LAFD is opening a new hiring process, is a lengthy process. Three accident investigations currently on-going in the LAFD: (1) Façade dropped on some crew members, (2) a dozer roll-over and (3) a injury burn propane tank rupture while doing structure protection at a recent fire.

Jeff Wilkerson – Pendleton Retired – 1-800-Board-Up

Steve Hoyle – OCFA (Retired) – CA Fire museum


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Meeting adjourned: 1200

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - November 2017 NTDP, San Dimas

NTDP, San Dimas, CA

NTDP, San Dimas, CA

Fuel Geysering.jpg
Wildland Flame Front Simulator

Wildland Flame Front Simulator

Cab Crush - Type 4 Engine

Cab Crush - Type 4 Engine

SFS FD Logo.jpg

Board Members in attendance: Scott Quinn, VP; Joe Sposato, Vendor Liaison; Tony Durán, Treasurer.

Attendance: Adam Bandos, LAFD; Frank Uram, QualaTel; Tracy Rose, LineGear Fire; Tom Foley, Workrite; Kelly Whitt, Workrite; Lazaro Martinez, MES; David Molinatti, ISC; Barry Owens, Cal Fire - Riverside; Steve Hoyle, Cal Fire Museum; Eric Higgins, Bestway Laundry; Aaron Ford, Super Vac; Tom MArtin, Responder Solutions; Joe Sposato, AllStar Fire Equipment; Jack Koltaj, Fed Fire Ventura County; Tony Durán, SAFER Treasurer; Jeff Wiljerson CPEN (Retired); Abel Ramos, Tempest Tech; Alexis Labbe, Tempest Leader; Jim Evans, Solutions Safety' James Golodzinier, LACoFD

The November 17, 2017 meeting was hosted by the National Technology and Development Program, San Dimas, California.  The meeting was opened at 0930 hours by SAFER V.P., Scott Quinn by welcoming everyone in attendance and leading us in the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.  Refreshements were provided by VP Scott Quinn and Tracy Rabe of Line Gear Fire.  He then introduced our hosts and speaker.


The presenter, Robert R. Manwaring, Fire Equipment Specialist with NTDP and a former USFS Firefighter, provided an overview of the center and the projects that the centers in San Dimas and Missoula, Montana focused on through 2017.  The highlights of the program were:

Fuel Geysering - a phenomenon occurring when fuel caps were removed from tools or storage bottles that caused the fuel to suddenly shoot out "geyser" out of the storage compartment.  This event has occurred in several locations throughout the United States and causes fuel to spill out, often causing the operator to be drenched with fuel.  Only one event has been noted in California.  The event occurred in the Sierra Nevadas and it is unknown where the fuel involved in the event was purchased.  It is believed that with all the regulations on California fuel, this may fortuitously prevented the described event from occurring.  It is still not clear why the events occur.  The centers have been testing fuel containers to determine if their design was in some way a factor in this event phenomenon. Check out: for further information and to report events.

 Situational Awareness for ground operations - technology is being developed to its most advantageous ability by allowing the leadership on the fire ground to locate and track various pieces of information in real time.  The objective of the program is to provide a recommendation for situational awareness systems for ground operations.

Vehicle Test using the Wildland Flame Front Simulator - the survivability of vehicles when faced with direct flame impingement was tested.  As a result of similar testing, Australia is replacing all synthetic materials in the interior of its apparatus with natural fibers to increase the survivability inside the cab of an engine.  It has been noted that the glass windows are the universal weak point of the apparatus.

Ignition Potential for Handheld Mechanized Equipment - the experiments attempted to determine under what conditions sparks from equipment may ignite dry brush.  It was interesting to note that even though many sparks may be created, not all contain the heat potential to ignite a material.

Discussion of Vehicle Specifications and Standards - the discussion focused on reducing the cab crush potential during a rollover accident.  The center is working with the apparatus manufacturers to build rated roll cages in cabs.  It has been noted that the rear "fire package" acts as an impromptu roll protection (see photo). Structural polyfoam may be added in the ABC posts and roof structure of the apparatus.  The US is way behind Australia and other European countries' standards.

The centers are looking at water handling equipment.

Pulaskis - the centers noted that this popular hand tool has not changed design since its inception.  Firefighters, however, are taller and have been suffering from bending injuries.  The handles' lengths have been tested from 36" to 48" and it is believed that a 42" handle is optimum for the comfort of the firefighter without compromising the strength of the tool's handle. (Greater lengths than 42" were breaking during use).  A summary of the projects for 2018 was provided.  A tour of the facility followed the presentation.  Everyone in attendance was given a commemorative pin of the facility.


Cal/OSHA: No report

NFPA - Dick Weise had just returned from an NFPA meeting and was unable to attend this meeting.  Tom Martin reported that there will be a task group meeting of NFPA 1851, PPE Care and Maintenance, on January 9, 10 & 11, 2018 in Los Angeles at the Airport Marriot.  Jim Evans offered that there have been rewrites of four chapters.  There are more guidelines specific to building an SOP.  "Gross DECON" and scene mitigation (of PPE contaminated with products of combustion, i.e., potentially cancerous) has suggested that personnel will bag their PPE and store the bags outside of the passenger areas of the appratus, unless the bags are of a filtered type.  Personnel must have a second set of PPE available or be out-of-service until after they are able to obtain a clean set of PPE. California AB2146 is currently going through a financial feasibility study and, if passed, the state will have to fund AB2146.  Barry Owens, Cal Fire, Riverside provided a brief overview of a Cal/OSHA violation they received regarding this issue.

Apparatus: No report

Vendor Liaison - Firehouse World will be moving its venue as San Diego is too far and difficult to reach due to the traffic.  Most vendors do not remain overnight.  The new venue has not been decided at the time of this meeting.

Treasurer report - $XXX - checking, $XXX - savings.  As the year ends, everyone is now due for 2018.  

Alexis Labbe, Tempest Leader informed the group of the Fresno Training Officers Conference.

There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 1200 hours.  

December meeting: December 15, 2017 at Santa Fe Springs Fire Department, check the website for details.

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - October 20, 2017 - San Diego Fire & Rescue


SAFER Meeting Minutes

October 20, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:    President Gurrola , VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely

San Diego Fire & Rescue Training Center

0945    Meeting called to order – President Gurrola welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to San Diego Fire – Rescue Department for use of the facility, to AllStar Fire Equipment for the morning hospitality and Scott of FIRE ETC for lunch.  

Chief Gurrola Introduced Assistant Chief Weber who welcomed SAFER and related his appreciation for the group.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise absent today, Kirk and Jim added the 1851 Standard is in final phase of rewrite – “Public Comment period” till Oct 15th, committee to meet in LA to consider the comments before finalizing the standard.

Question: status of CalOSHA accepting the 1851 Standard as “California Law”. It was stated that it is still under consideration by CalOSHA.

Workplace violence reporting standard being worked on by LAFD et al. 

Apparatus – Pres Gurrola discussed the values of sharing information between various departments nationwide after issues being

Safety and Training:

Program: “Firefighter Behavioral Health and Suicide Awareness / Prevention”

Presenter: Jeff Dill, founder of the Firefighter Behavioral Health Alliance (FBHA)

 via teleconference from Firehouse Expo.

MS Degree, Retired Fire Captain Cell (847) 209-8208

On site facilitator/program coordinator: David Picone – Battalion Chief – Health and Safety Officer

San Diego Fire – Rescue Department

1010 Second Avenue, Suite 400 MS 604

dpicone@sandiego-gov, (619) 533-4466

SD Fire –Rescue began its Health and Safety Officer Position about three years ago. EMS Division now focused on citizens being served, the Health and Safety program is aimed at the fire service personnel. There is staff assigned for Cancer Awareness / Prevention and Behavioral Health. (760) 845-6243. Related a three phase approach (1) Behavioral Change: Posters (Clean Gear, Clean Air, and Clean Body) (2) Policy Changes: Establishing operational standards for safety and wellness in daily operations and associated lifestyles. (3) Facilities upgraders such as extractors and multi sets of PPE Commitment: A sticker on helmet after committing to the programs any observed violation of “Best Practices” from the program.

Fire Department Chaplin: Has been involved with fire service in San Diego and nationally. Chaplin is a Member of “Peer Support Team” with the “firefighter’s benevolent association”. Many of “San Diego Fire & Rescue Departments” “firefighter’s benevolent association” programs were described that contribute to FF wellness needs. Contracts were developed with select mental professional services to provide needed assistance to Fire-Rescue family (includes lifeguards, fire, ems).

Notes from Jeff Dill’s presentation:

Jeff related the problem of FF Suicide and the most common causes that contribute to it:

  • Marital, Family problems

  • Depression

  • Addictions

  • Medical and Health Issuers

  • PTSD

  • Financial

  • Legal Issues

San Diego Fire-Rescue – BHP:

  1. “Cultural Brainwashing” – Fire Service Inexperience

  2. 12 Steps in creating a successful Behavioral Health Program.

  3. Joint Effort – I will be a constant working alongside Capt.  Cerruto who oversees the SD program

  4. “Commend the Call” – when a call for help is received. (from employee or a co-worker / supervisor)

  5. Education will be determined based on feedback and trends and shared to us by the providers

Issues to be addressed in San Diego - BHP:

  1. Education = all members within fire-rescue Division (FF’s, Lifegaurds, Pilots, Dispatch and civilians)

  2. Resources – “Official providers” FOCUS Psy Services, Chaplin’s, Fire Fam Services (SDFRA), EAP, Private Med Insurance, PERR support group and vetted long-term facilities

  3. Family Members

  4. New Recruits

  5. Retirement -0 Current and future retirees.

  6. Policies and Guideline’s –

Data / statistics related to FF Suicide was presented (138 in 2015)

No observed differences between paid / Volunteer/ male / female / city / rural data.

Suicide by Firearms 4x other methods – statistics presented

Retiree’s vs. active employees – (36 within 1 week of resignation)

Q: Size-up: Why am I using these substances, why do have these feelings. We have to self-assess:

Warning signs:

  1. Anger

  2. Reckless Behavior

  3. Isolation

  4. Lack of personal self-confidence – job competence

  5. Sleep depravation


  1. Loss of sense of humor


  • If you look back to incidents in your career that you remember in absolute details of the incident you have some level of PTSD. A website from Phoenix FD with resources for direct access regarding Behavioral Health needs.

Sleep disorders program (from Harvard) is available for around $40,000 / agency. They send a “Train the Trainer” team out to teach your agency about sleep disorders. Those who’ve used the service highly recommend the program. Contact Kurtis with SD Fire-Rescue.

Discussion on the current state of affairs regarding mental health / suicide issues in the fire service. Recent experiences with various departments who’ve experienced suicide in their agency(s).

Additional information from local SD Fire – Rescue resources was provided: FOCUS Psychologist, Chaplin.



Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton (Retired) -Great job SDF-R on the wellness issue

Jim Marugg - San Miguel Fire & Rescue Dept. – Related the green sheet report on an incident where a FF was contaminated with human waste at a homeless encampment. Related the particulars of his injury from a chemical burn / reaction to chemical contaminates. Policy changes include (1) No overhaul at night, (2) had to toss about $1,000 in PPE plus hose due to contamination. (3) All homeless encampments are considered a HazMat location.

Steve Hoyle – OCFA (Retired) – CA Fire museum

Adam Brandos LAFD – Attending for first time

Scott Quinn BC LAFD – “National” Mayday report is out, FF Memorial Ceremony held last week

Sebastion – Fillmore NTR

North Co FD and Peer Councilors being used for several local agencies

Ventura – Running Academies, many resources are out.

Michelle Trout – Lion –Related lots of new products for PPE / Uniform needs.

John Fisher SD Fire and Rescue – Wildland Committee – Finishing a PPE Survey for 1977 gear.

David Bogg – Psychological “ FOCUS” program.

BullEx – Live and Visual displays.

Henry SD City – NTA

Frank Uram - Qualtel – Liked the topic, related the experience in today’s military.

MES – Covers SD County. Has new dual compliant work pant available.

David Molinatti  – Industrial Scientific -  Related new equip and services available to first responders.

Mario Marion – Streamlight , related new products avail

Scott Estrada – FIRE ETC. – Related they supply SD F-R, SoCal FPE – cleans PPE to meet 1851 standard

Emily Stubbs - Solutions Safety – Business development for Solutions Safety

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Long way since 19XX in the development of PPE selection, care and maintenance

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Related an attempted suicide event within his department.

Tracy Rabe – Linegear Fire & Rescue Equipment – Related equipment and support services available through Linegear.  

Kirk Owen – Veridian -  Liked the presentation, topic today. Thanked the presenter.

Larry Asst. Fire Marshall SD F-R – Related the importance of these types of employee support systems / programs.

Tom Martin – Has shelty gloves that meet the new NFPA standards. (Note new email address)

Rob Hoadley – Cardiac Science – First Meeting with SAFER, Vender of fully automatic AED’s and EMS AED’s

Ed Shabaro – LN Curtis – Related equipment / PPE currently available through Curtis.

Bill Ward – Pump Pod USA – Related the use of the “Pump Pod” that allows Fire departments to train, test and certify fire pumps while saving large volumes of water.

Abe – AllStar Fire Equipment – Related the PPE available through AllStar. Fire Show Reno – first week of November.

John Picone BC SD F-R –Related the topic today as being timely and needed.

Mark Sheldone – Days off Consultants – related the products they manufacture / rep.

Brett Days off Consultants – Reps Red Back Shoes and wildland foot wear

Jeff Storey – Plymovent rep. Related the importance of exhaust removal and the history with San Diego Fire with Plymovent. They were the first they were able to design and build a system for

Steve Cooley – Cobra Litter – Introduced the completed version of the Cobra Rescue Litter. Related the many uses of the system, the quality and versatility of the product for fire, ems, major event support where transportation of victim’s / support equipment / fire hose / SWAT – Law.

Mike Schlags – Cobra Litter – Added the potential uses of the Cobra Litter in incidents like the Las Vegas massacre / mass casualty incidents. 

Keith Gurrola Fillmore Fire Chief (Retired Ventura County) – Related the importance of today’s topic and the myriad of employee assistance programs.

NEXT MEETING SanDimiss – US Forest Service

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Meeting adjourned: 1200

Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             


Agency / Co





Downey Fire (Retired)

Chuck Seely

(949) 492-7993


c alifornia fire muaseum

steve hoyle



Redback/Cosmas Footwear


619 203-6541


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.

Jeff Wilkerson



Quala-Tel Communications

Frank Uram




Daniel Vaccaro




Michelle Trout




Steve Hanks




David Picone




Bill Ward


Aair Purification/Plymovent

Jeff Storey



Days Off Consultants/NightStick Lighting

Mark Sheldone



AllStar Fire Equipment

Gabe Sayegh



Fillmore Fire

Keith Gurrola



Western States Fire Equipment

Louie Garcia



Safety Components

Bill Black



Responder Solutions

Tom Martin



Solutions Safety Products

Jim Evans



Solutions Safety Products

Emily Stubs


San Miguel Fire & Rescue

Jim Marugg



San Diego Fire-Rescue

John Fisher




Adam Brandos


LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment

Tracy Rabe




Melissa Magee



Cardiac Science

Rob Hoadley




Kirk Owen



Cobra Litters LLC

Mike Schlags



Industrial Scinetific

David Molinatti




Robert Szczepanek




Shannon Black



Mario Payan

(818) 731-2510


MES (Muni Emerg Services)

Bill Zamudio

(858) 715-4639



Chase Powell

(619) 309-2240



SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - August 2017 - OCFA


SAFER Meeting Minutes

August 18, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:    President Gurrola , VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely

Orange County Fire Authority Headquarters

0930    Meeting called to order – President Gurrola welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to ORCO Fire Authority for use of the facility and to Michelle Trout with LIONfor the morning hospitality.   

Russ Snyder Introduced A/C Dave Anderson who welcomed SAFER and related his appreciation for the group’s contribution to FF safety and health. He related the importance of today’s topic (Cancer) and how his agency has been impacted by this health problem. He added the agency just pushed out a new policy to mandate SCBA use from beginning to end at every fire. He related the “clean gear, clean air, clean body” initiative.

A/C Chief Brian Young added his appreciation for the coordination to SAFER and the venders aligned with the safety and health of today’s fire service. 

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick sent an email with his report – delivered by Scott Quinn:

1977 Standard is in public input, several issues related to “how clean is clean” to try to set a standard for cleaning.

1851 is being revised to incorporate changes that have been proposed from its public comment period.

1971 Soon to be released in the 4th quarter to incorporate changes to those parts of the PPE ensemble.  

Pres. Gurrola related he attended a PPE meeting that included a major change in PPE for ARFF personnel for “most” airports. The “silver” suits are being phased out to favor of 1971 PPE. The exception is for major airports like LAX etc. and military installations.

Moving website to Tracy Rabe, our new website manager to speed up and improve postings.

Safety and Training:

Pres related there are several shows coming up. ARFF , Cancer symposium in Phoenix is coming in September.

Wants to team up with TO’s to post various training opportunities.  

Russ introduced Jonathan Wilby - OCFA Risk Manager, who will deliver today’s program:

Program: “An Organizational Look at Cancer Awareness and Prevention”

Jonathan related his position as OCFA Risk Manager and explained his role as an advocate for agency health and safety. He related the cooperation of management and labor in the health and safety mission. He related the OCFA’s Cancer experience over the past five years.

(Insert PowerPoint here)

Changes Implemented to date:

  • Sunscreen products at every station

  • Second set of PPE

  • Structural PPE selection, care, and maintenance to meet NFPA 1851 standards

  • Rescue wipes used during post fire decontamination

  • Respiratory protection program procedure

  • SCBA use throughout suppression / overhaul

  • PAPR use throughout investigations (Cache kept on Truck Companies)

Mentioned San Diego Cities program as a model program

Changes in Process:

  • Educational component (cultural change)

  • Standardized signage restricting turnouts from living and sleeping areas

  • Post fire asbestos sampling and testing procedures

  • Ice machine contaminate assessment

  • Washer / extractors located in each battalion


Related asbestos contamination problem: PPE came back from their ISP with detectable levels of asbestos. They use LION Total Care ISP in Texas who has a proprietary process to clean PPE with asbestos. The department is using an industrial hygienist to verify test results to drive policy decisions.

Five Gas Monitors:

  1. CO

  2. VOC (look for zero VOC)

  3. O2

  4. Lower Expl limits

  5. Upper Expl limits

B/C Scott Quinn answered what LAFD is doing regarding asbestos and related all the difficulties in establishing policy for agency wide use. Related you almost need to build a flow chart to follow based on specific contaminates.

Chief Gurrola related Ventura County relies on the station extractors for cleaning contaminated gear.

Discussion on placement / appropriateness of Station Extractors vrs centralized service center based cleaning strategies.

Question: (Wilkerson) How does OCFA handle brush gear (1877 gear)?. (Russ) They currently don’t see many brush sets coming through the service center. Related some guys wash their 1977 gear in stations or even at home. Attendees related there will be cleaning requirements included in the new 1977 standard.

Jonathan related Historically the “first-in company” stayed throughout he suppression – overhaul – investigation phases. “First in – First out” to return to quarters for showers and equipment decontamination efforts is a possible policy change towards firefighter health.

Jonathan demonstrated the various promotional materials the OCFA is using in support of these program changes: stickers, posters and a video. The in-house produced video was viewed and very well received by all.

Question (Russ) Are any agencies doing an exchange program for hoods? Fresno – the B/C’s have a bag of new hoods that they distribute “on-scene” and collect  contaminated units for decontamination . LAFD relate if you need a new hood you’ll get a new hood.

Pres. Gurrola related were hoping to develop a “blog” capability to continue and expand discussions on various subjects (like FF CA) within the website.

John Price related the IAFF programs being instituted to enhance the awareness and practices designed to reduce carcinogens. He related the Firefighters Cancer Support Network efforts to reach-out to Cancer Victims for support and to all fire service personnel for education and training.

Jim Plymovent related there are numerous Attorneys representing Firefighters in exposure cases. Discussed exhaust gas removal systems and their respective differences.


Chief Gurrola – Fillmore FD -  Encourages members to report accidents / injuries to promote discussion and exchange of potential solutions.

Jeff Wilkerson - Camp Pendleton (Retired) – Reports Camp has been having fires. Ca Fire Museum is meeting with Irvine to request location

Russ Snyder OCFA – Thanks for attending, related the video was excellent and related the organization is starting a 52 man academy in Sept, another 50 thereafter, got numererous new apparatus. Related the trucks are overweight – working with committees to resolve. Second of 3 phases of “second set” PPE’s is nearing completion

Fillmorer Fire Sebaastion

Eric Higgins - Bestway Laundry – Related new hand scanner for use on extractors will be rolled out next week

B/C Scott Quinn - LAFD – Regional Safety Team is doing investigation of Kelly Wong LODD. LAFD is doing FRO training – Opioid problem is becoming a real problem – First Responders are having problems getting enough Narcan to service all the fentanyl OD’s. Additionally, personnel exposed to very small quantities of fentanyl can cause risks to their health.

Steve Hanks - Scott Safety – Reps West Coast and Hawaii – Scott has 2018 NFPA Packs are ready to ship waiting for official certification from NFPA.

Steve Harris – Plymovent

JP – Nothing to add

Louie Garcia - Western States Fire Equip – Showed new structure glove and related DPF is still an issue . Cops West is having a show in October 31-Nov 1 & 2  Palm Springs.

Kelly Witt - Workrite – Corporate was talking to fabric supplier of “Nomex” discussing the characteristics of the fabric as it relates to cleaning and performance in multi-certifications.

Sean Van Sluis - Santa Monica Fire – Enjoyed presentation, just took over the PPE role, is a member of their safety committee. Is organizing their PPE to lean towards “second set” program and will be going “single layer” for brush gear (1977). Gurrola: Should we be wearing our 1971 gear to T/C’s and risk absorption of petro-chem’s? Maybe come up with a “better Option” for simple T/C responses.

Tracy Rabe - LineGear Fire and Rescue Equipment – Been with them for 7 years, now have a catalog with gear they sell.

Tracy Is now managing our website to improve attendance and expand content and interaction. The enhancements should help both FD’s as well as member venders.

Chad Dicksins - Atwood-Prior – Reps Pelican Products

Tom Martin - Atwood-Prior – Discussed Level A, B, C PPE, has a number of products.

X Discussed the dual /Tri certification for “cover pant” as it affects our Cancer risk.

Steve Hoyle – Ca Fire Museum & Safety Learning Center – ORCO (Retired)  – Related the 1851 Standard was a direct off-shoot of the work SAFER produced. There have been updates since the original proposed standard. Museum organizers will be meeting with City of Irvine to discuss a location for the museum in the great park.

Melissa McGee / Doug Murphy – SoCal PPE - ISP “Intratech Certified” has pick-up and delivery service. They are located in San Diego near Coronado. She related the procedure to send contaminated PPE in for cleaning. 

Frank Uram - Qualatel Communications – Related the” ear pieces” on headsets / microphones get contaminated and should be replaced as some reasonable period. He relates he designs and installs radios and intercom systems in emergency vehicles.

Kirk Owens –  Veridian Fire Protective Gear (Retired Fire Chief & NFPA Committee Chair) – Related he is available to help support the group in technical matters. Discussed the asbestos issue and related the traditional approach was to dispose of anything exposed to asbestos, was interested in the cleaning procedure being used by OCFA. Related they will be releasing a hood with “Particulate Blocking” capabilities. Waiting for the updated 1971 standard. Several problems: Dual Certified, Tri-Certified – Vapor Protection feature costs you breathability and removes it from wildland certification. Related many of the Venders can provide training for agency decontamination techniques.

Robinson – Pelican Products – Relates they support many products for Fire Service. They have numerous lighting devices and power supplies for FD Use. Manufacture of numerous types of protective cases.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore FD – Related the Fillmore FD budget has been set, their fire foundation golf tour was a success. He needs to purchase gear for 18 new recruits. Received a FEMA Safety Grant – will have three new paid Firefighter positions.

 They had a FF take his PPE in for alteration without authorization – he considers the incident a “near –miss” for his dept

** FF Memorial will be September 30th in Sacramento..

Los Osos Symposium on PPE (Vender Driven Event) was a good event with relavent information for the end users.

Santa Paula FD is merging with Ventura Co. FD. Much SPFD gear will be excess and will be available. They also have a Light / Air Trailer that will be available.

NEXT MEETING September 15th – Location and topic to be announced

San Diego – Behavioral Health – October


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Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             


Agency / Co                              NAME                               PHONE #                                  EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)       Chuck Seely               (949) 492-7993         

Air Exchange PLYMOVENT   Steve Harris           909-973-8211      

Air Exchange PLYMOVENT     Jim Cleary          909-720-7064       

OCFA                                        Russ Snider                 714-573-6601           

Camp Pendleton(Retired)    Jeff Wilkerson         949-445-9512         

Qualatel                                   Frank Uram                 858-577-2900      

Ca fire museum & safety learning center   stevehoyle949-496-5688

Santa Monica Fire        Sean Van Sluis             949-702-3473       

OCFA                                 Jonathan Wilby         714-573-6832             

Scott Safety                   Steve Hanks                858-226-7420                

  SOCAL PPE    DOUG MURPHY/melissa MAGEE   619-993-1163    


Atwood-Prior          Tom Martin            909-264-4875                   

LION                              Michelle Trout                     480-225-1324        

LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment      Tracy Rabe    949-230-5610        

Veridian Fire Protective Gear    Kirk Owen       712-260-3547              

MES                              Lazaro Martinez               562-320-2385             

MES                                    John Price                     562-212-6803                  

Bestway Laundry Solutions          Eric Higgins951-532-7700              

CURTIS Tools For Heros            Ed Shabro          760-250-1180              

fillmore fire poi         sebastian ramirez             805-2975214    sebastian

Fillmore Fire Dept      Keith Gurrola         805-558-0932                

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - July 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

July 21, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Past President Duran, VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely, Quinn, Vender Liaison Sposato

AllStar Fire Equipment

0940    Meeting called to order - Past President Tony Duran welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to AllStar Fire Equipment Company for use of the facility and  to Lion apparel and SCOTT Breathing Apparatus for the morning / lunch hospitality.   

Tony introduced B/C Scott Quinn LAFD, who will deliver today’s program:

Program: “Drive to Survive”

Related his experiences as Safety Officer and Litigation Officer. Related the program scheduled for last month (Behavioral Health) is very relevant to present day FD’s and will be rescheduled in the future.

B/C Quinn related LAFD practices (pre-trip, licencing and operators role / responsibilities) documentation. The issue of length of operation , relief policy, drivers health and distractions while driving are frequesnt issues brought up in court cases.

A PowerPoint presentation was shown that demonstrated the myriad of characteristics that make up safe driver / operator practices.

Regional Training Authority: LAFD is doing EVOC training (Computer simulation and hands on handling) may be available to RTA members.

Typical Accident litigation takes about three years and is a nightmare for all involved.

All new apparatus are equipped with a “Black Box” that collects data on the vehicles operation.

(Insert PowerPoint Here)

Orange County Fire Authority will host the August SAFER Meeting. The topic will be “An Organizational Look at Cancer- Awareness and Prevention” presented by OCFA / Risk Manager Jonathan Wilby.

Joe: working on getting improved access to website to post meeting notifications earlier

Committee Reports:

Scott Hudson – OSHA Updates: Hemet FD Retired. New standard for silica sand exposure adopted by FED OSHA, CalOSHA to (TWA is based on 4 hour window of exposure). Emergency Ops allows for 24 hour period for RESCUE. Need Training, Policies and practices in place. Will be released for enforcement later this year.

New standards for Storage batteries (for backup systems) has a requirement for training and operational policies. 

Indoor heat illness standard being developed by CalOSHA for implementation next year.

New “phone” notification standard for CalOSHA is being planned to clarify employers requirement(s) for timely notification of industrial accidents.

Heat-Illness injury minimum fine is $17,000.

Workplace violence reporting requirement is “in effect” but not widely known by employers.

Employee Evacuation Plan – One for each “risk” identified, standard being developed

New standards for chop saws, protective shrouds / guards is being developed for industrial applications.

SRIA- Independent review of proposed standards (SB 617).

Nat Safety Council rates CA a “C” on workplace safety.

NIOSH has a heat illness app for download.

CalOSHA Increasing penalies: Minor $7,000 to $10,000, serious increases to XXXX, resulting from Fed OSHA stating that CalOSHA is too linient.

Gender Toilets: State legislation required an amount of toilets available for the workplace

Zika carrying mosquitos have been identified in 11 Counties in CA.

New forklift standards for “non-lift” positioning.

Capt. Jordan relates it’s important for a liaison to accompany employees to hospital in insure medical staff doesn’t label illness as “heat illness / injury” instead of “heat exhaustion”.

Tony related if CalOSHA conducts an investigation for a specific issue they have heads on swivel as they conduct the inspection – EVERYTHING is under scrutiny.


Rosenbauer is conducting  “electric apparatus” testing.

Vender Liaison:

Thanks to the venders for attending and contributing to the SAFER Organization.


Tony – Looking to improve web site, timely meeting notifications and enhanced content are several themes to be addressed.

Treasures Report: Tony for

$467.86 / $1,114.88 Checking

Expenses for NFPA membership and Dick Weise travel.


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John Henderson Torrance

Jeff Wilkerson Camp Penaton Fire , All apparatus have cameras front, rear and inside to document apparatus operation , related seat belt enforcement and policy enforcement.

Steve Hoyle – ORCO retired, California Fire Museum.

Capt.Langer Vernon – Recently appointed as New Apparatus and Equipment Officer.

Curt Johnson – Tempest and Leader are now one company after a recent acquisition / merger.

John Price LACoFD Retired – Now MES representation, related “Attitude and Accelerator”

Jordan LACoFD –

Scott McLaren CalFIRE Riverside – Has finalized driving policy to meet modern traffic needs, added a second engine to T/C’s. CalFire Riverside has developed a check-list for traffic investigations. Agency has updated its EMS dispatching protocol’s (EMD). CalFire Riverside will be implementing a similar triage program for “Fire” responses in the future. Using code 2 response’s when appropriate to limit / reduce code 3 accidents.

Scott – Fillmore fire.

Chris Murdock – LACoFD Retired, Rio Hondo Fire Academy – Reminds that there is liability issues that can effct

Lim Clearly – Plymovent – Related he learns something at every SAFER meeting he attends. Company is doing a lot of conversions of older systems to newer product

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry systems – Has installed 10 systems this month.

Bill Ward – Pinical Bod – Has an order from Long Beach FD for a new upgraded POD unit that will accommodate aerial and nozzle testing needs. Water districts are interested in using their tanks (PODS) to save water when using testing

Louie Garcia Western States – Has new glove arriving, Ford Explorer’s have been identified as having a CO problem – Officers found with CO illness nationally. Found to be largely associated with modifications for Public Safety users.

Jack Koltaj - Ventura County – Crew reductions are occurring, island stations use JP5 for fuel

Russ Snider ORCO – Just graduated 24 “lateral” class, new engines,”quints” (some found to be overweight)

Tom Martin – Multi-line Manufactures Rep – Related some new HazMat app to better identify the proper PPE configuration for specific chemicals. Has new” Action Wipes”,  not a repackaging of baby wipes.  This wipe is specifically designed for active adults started in the outdoor sporting market. These wipes are designed to be used by persons “on line” for multiple days. Related they are showing a small washer for ppe. Kappler, wide range of chemical protective ppe:  The frontline 500 level A suit has a new larger non fog visor to increase visibility. A smart device app is available to generate risk assessment reports “ HazMatch”.  Turnout gear chem response overshot protects turnout gear from chemical contamination. Checkers ground level safety has hose ramps, electrical cabling ramps, wheel chocks speed bumps - Poly cribbing. Has Groves and single unit extractor 20 lbs. For turnout gear, hoods, woodland gear and are great for smaller departments and remote stations. 

Scott Hudson – Hemet Retired – City has passed a 1% tax to fund Police / Fire in the city. Has new B/C’s (1 from Grand Junction CO. ) Related the concept that code 3 driving is dangerous if you make it dangerous, but some accidents are simply unavoidable.

Davis Mul – Industrial Scientific – Related the CalOSHA “compliance” issues after an incident. He relates his job is to make sure the equipment is operating properly and to train the end user in it

Gevork Kazanchyan - LACo Risk Management – Working to implement the Workplace Violence Reporting standard. Working to define “work Place” definition (in the ambulance, in the facility etc.) and how they can comply “globally”.

Frank Orum – QualTel Communications – Discussed the various communications systems he installs / services: Headsets, wireless intercom and radio systems. 

Tony Duran LACoFD Retired – NH3 Training Institute – Teaches Industry and First Responders how to work with Anhydrous ammonia. He is planning dates for training Anaheim and Downey Fire Departments. Tony can facilitate training programs for NH3 operational training needs.

Scott Quinn – LAFD B/C – Budget approved for agency. Crews are working tons of OT, will be hiring more in the future. Related their recent LODD (Kelly Wong) and how the incident has impacted their operations. Department is cooperating with CalOSHA in the investigation to improve future firefighter safety.

Joe Sposado – AllStar – Related recent 4th place finish of the AllStar Porche in Utah. He related recent observations of people “texting” (leaving space – driving slow so as to text), (cars that drift the correct) these are people that are texting while driving. AllStar has won the contract with CalFire to supply them with SCOTT SCBA’s. They are switching from MSA SCBA’s. Particulate Hood for FF’s is now available that GORE Developed. Has particulate protection (99% effective) that is not vapor barrier. (see GORE online).Joe recommends writing your name on the front of the hood to insure proper donning pro-8cedures.


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             

Agency / Co        NAME            PHONE #       EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)   Chuck Seely(949) 492-7993

c alifornia fire museumsteve hoyle    9494965688


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.  Jeff Wilkerson 949-830-087

Quala-Tel Communications Frank Uram858-577-2900

ASTI   Tony Duran   626-590-2991

Hemet Fire Dept. Ret.  Scott Hudson951-694-2591

VERNON Fire   Mike Langer    951-775-2058

Torrance Fire   Jon Henderson   310-977-5619

Western States Fire EqupLouie Garcia213-272-5680

Leader Emergency VehiclesGeoff Maze626-377-2931

MESJohn Price   562-212-68703

Atwood-Prior Inc    Tom Martin   909-264-4875

Safety ComponentsBill Black858-243-4371

LA County Fire RetiredChris Marangakis562-553-2619

Tempest / Leader   Curt Johnson   559269-7773

LA County CEO Risk ManagementGevork Kazanchyan 213.351.6408

Fed Fire Ventura CountyJack Koltaj805-989-7043

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - April 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

April 21, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Gurrola, Vice Pres Weise, Quinn, Seely, Wilkerson

Santa Monica Fire Department

Santa Monica Library

0950:   Meeting called to order - President Gurrola, Fillmore Fire Chief, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to the City of Santa Monica for use of the facility and AllStar Fire Equipment for morning bagels and coffee.

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Business Meeting:

Finance: No report at meeting, a detailed report was submitted to board via email from Past Pres Duran.


OSHA: ”Violence against first responders” reporting– Agencies must maintain a Log / Journal , (similar to a “300 Log”) beginning April 1st, 2017 of incidents involving:  (1) Member on Member, (2)Violence on  first responder from public, (3) Dog Bites.  April 2018: All members must be trained. LAFD has started a log to begin implementation.

Acceptance of NFPA standards by CalOSHA is pending “cost analysis “review by legislature as it will place burden on local government agencies. (Un-funded Mandate)

NFPA: Dick Weise – SAFER rep to 1977, (1877 Document is a SCAM doc for wildland): Committee is looking at Dozer Operator gloves, FR boot laces, “vented helmets”. Dual compliant Station-Wildland pants are out to bid for LACoFD. All helmet liners/support elements must be easily removable for proper decontamination. IAFF is pushing a Cancer Prevention program. 1971 (Structure and Proximity) updates to include systems to protect from particulates through “Hood” elements and THL standard.

“Healthy In – Healthy Out” programs are being implemented throughout the fire service.

FIRESCOPE: Chief Reyes - LAFD: Discussed the “flagging tape” colors and their meanings and the efforts underway to standardize its uses. Smoke/inhalation issues are being looked at and the desire to NOT cover other standard developers. Recommends attending “Safety Officers Conference” (3-Days), receive updates from experts and agency representatives from CalFire, aviation ops, Incident Management – Leadership. 

FDIC next week in Indianapolis.  Document # 215A updated and on website.

Apparatus: No report. One attendee related they’d experienced some LDH (4”) delaminate.

Technology: No report

Venders: FDIC Next week in Indianapolis.

“Foresters and Fire Wardens”: Pilgrim Pines (Oak Glen) May 4 &5th, 2017


  • Program: Fire Service working at Tactical Law Enforcement Incidents

Presenter: B/C Don Reyes – LAFD – Homeland Security Division & FIRESCOPE

Reference FIRESCOPE ICS 701 Document, Revised June 23, 2015 or newer

  • History : (Columbine Incident was impetus – Immediate Action Tactics developed)

  • Pre Incident Considerations

  • Initial Actions Tactical Considerations

  • Staging

  • Tactical Context

  • Working with Law/SWAT

  • Nomenclature

  • The Bid One

What is a Tactical Law Enforcement Incident?

  1. Active Shooter, Hostage Taker, Barricaded Suspect

  2. Suspect with explosives

  3. Perimeter Search

  4. MACTAC / Combat Coordinated Attack

  5. ICS 701

TEMS: Tactical Emergency Medical Support:

Section redacted

Pre-Incident Considerations:

  • Pre-Incident Relationships

  • Training:

  • FRO

  • Active Shooter


  • PPE and Equipment

  • Adapting other SOG’s

  • Other Agency needs (Public Schools, airport other “stake-holders”)

  • Public Information and Incident Messaging (Social Media)


  • Blue Force Tracking being developed for public safety

Initial Actions:

  • Confirm Incident Type

  • Co-locate with LAW OIC/IC

  • Establish Unified Command:

  • ID Hot/Warm/ Cold Zones

  • Create RTF’s

  • Request Additional Resources

  • Create Notification Area with Dispatch (to control access to incident area)

  • Communication Plan

  • Inter-Agency Communication

  • Rescue Group Supervisor

  • Med Communications

  • Med Group Supervisor

  • Fire Group

Tactical Considerations:

Section redacted


 Section redacted

Tactical Context:

Risk Assessment:

  • ID HOT/WARM/COLD zones

  • Viable Victims

  • What Can we Accomplish?


  • Primary Plan

  • Alternate Plan

  • Contingency Plan

  • Emergency Plan


Does each agency have same criteria?

Comm Plan

Interagency Communications


Working with Law/SWAT:

  • The Officer in Charge

  • Mutual Support

  • Unified Command

  • Briefing(s)

  • Medical Plan & CCP (Casualty Collection Point)

  • Force Protection

  • Fire Plan


  • Discussion on ISIS publications and the JRIC info products being distributed to Law/Fire Agencies. Push Publications are developed for reasons, not just on a time-table.  

( LAFD) Working withLAW/SWAT/TEMS:

Section redacted


Section redacted


MACTAC Considerations:

  • Tactical Areas (Notification Areas)

  • Incident Facilities Locations

  • Maximum Commitment

  • California Mutual Aid

  • Federal Assets


Meeting recessed to Vender Time at 1125

Meeting reconvened at 1145 for roundtable


Dick Weise – Predicts active fire season, drills coming up. KME Quints coming soon. Replacing many “plastic interior parts” from rigs to reduce off gassing

Weisenburg – Ventura County Fire – Class of recruits going through, need medics, 5 Rosenbowers Type 1’s, 1 Quint ordered. Next Month BBQ at SAFER meeting. Two years till next retirement

Crystal – Fillmore / Ventura Federal FF’s – Hiring six

Scott Quinn – LAFD B/C – Castro Retired last week, slowing drill towers to two per year. Has had 4” LDH separating.  LAFD had a large fire on the Vernon border in a food processing plant.

Had a kid making pipe bombs in a neighborhood. Was injured.

 LAFD responded to Murrieta Georgia FF’s accident that was fatal. The guy had just toured the fire station that responded to the incident. LAFD provided “honor guard” to the coroner, then the funeral home and finally to the airport. Provided family support to the friends / family from Georgia.

Kirk Owen – Veridian PPE – Will be at FDIC next week introducing a new generation FF Glove.

Jack K Ventura Federal FF – Looking for Chief to

Don Reyes – LAFD –

Jeff Wilkerson May 10th, Camp Pendelton Dozer School May 1, 2017, CalFIRE. 1st Week in June – Fire School.

Steve Hoyle – ORCO (Retired) – Fire Museum – Related the loss of agency history, experience

Bill Ward – Pump recovery system – Saves water while allowing real world training opportunities.

Tracy Rabe - Fire Rescue Equipment – Rep’s footwear and workrite uniforms.

Rick Holman – AllStar Fire Equipment – Will be at FDIC. Scott bought by 3-M

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment - :LaHabra Heights looking at Rosenbouer Type 1 and 3 appratus. Has a new glove to show at FDIC.

Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior , Inc. - Factory Rep’s for Pelican, others. Has Sun Block, Insect repellant, mounting brackets. Showed a new foam cartridge nozzle.

Jim Cleary – Plymovent – ORCO 61 burned, 61 on a call when they responded to their station for a reported structure fire. Contract just signed to have it rebuilt.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry- Related he’d have a “Scanning Program” to track PPE laundering for 1851 compliance.

John Price – LACoFD (Retired) – MES PPE Expert

Rob Span Ventura County Fire –

Frank QualTel – Showed the wireless headset / transmitter to interface with rig radio and intercom. 

Lazaro Martinez – MES – PPE, equipment for Law and Fire Services. Has InfraRed cameras and Scope for USA

Davis A – Industrial Scientific – Related the company and the industry they service. Gas detection equipment and chemical monitoring.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore FD – Will be hiring FF’s after current group is fully integrated. Annual Golf tournament will be June 3rd, 2017.

Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)


Agency / Co                           NAME                 PHONE #              EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)    Chuck Seely    (949) 492-7993

c alifornia fire museum   steve hoyle       9494965688


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.  Jeff Wilkerson949-830-087

Quala-Tel Communications    Frank Uram 858 577-2900   

Los Angeles Fire Dept  Scott Quinn213-434-1380

Los Angeles County Fire Dick Weise 951-807-1914

Municipal Emergency ServicesLaz Martinez

Atwood-Prior/Pelican Products Tom Martin 909-264-4875

Louie GarciaLouie Garcia213-272-5680

Industrial ScientificDavid Molinatti714-403-1915

Torrance Fire Dept.  Tim McAtee     310-344-1490

 Santa Barbara County Fire Dept.  Michael Klusyk   805-896-6337

Ventura City Fire DeptLuis Manzano   805-256-8533

Veridian Fire Protective GearKirk Owen 712-260-3547

Fillmore Fire Department Crystal Rhoden 805-701-5891

Los Angeles Fire DepartmentDon Reyes 213359-1054

Fillmore Fire Department Keith Gurrola 8055580932

Bestway Laundry Solutions Eric higgins 18005426166

Federal Fire Ventura County Jack Koltaj 805 989-2373

LineGear Fire & Rescue Equip Tracy Rabe 949-709-8808

Pump Pod USA        Bil Ward    949-246-6999

MES                             John Price   562-212-6803

Allstar Fire Equip.    Rick Homan

Los Angeles Fire Dept     Scott Quinn213-434-1380


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - March 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

March 17, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Gurrola,Vice Pres Quinn, Past Pres. Duran, Seely, Sczcepanek, Cardenas,  Vender Liaison Sposato

Fillmore Fire Department

Fillmore City Hall

0945    Meeting called to order - President Gurrola, Fillmore Fire Chief, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to the City of Fillmore for use of the facility and Louie Garcia of  Western States Fire Equipment for morning bagels and coffee,  the” Fillmore Fire Foundation” for BBQ lunch.

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Business Meeting:

Finance: $467.65 savings, $1000+/- in checking. Tony encouraged all to pay their dues (on line or by check). We’d like to hire a web-master to handle some of those updates as required. Our expenses include support of NFPA committees.

OSHA: ” Violence against first responders” reporting– Agencies must maintain a Log / Journal , (similar to a “300 Log”) beginning April 1st, 2017 of incidents involving:  (1) Member on Member, (2)Violence on  first responder from public, (3) Dog Bites.  April 2018: All members must be trained.

NFPA: Jim Evans:  1851 Committee met to consider public input and begin drafting new standard. Available on-line for review. “At incident cleaning” will be addressed in the new 1851 standard. * AB2146 (Cal) is going to make 1851 ‘Law” in California. A discussion on AB 2146 followed: Cost to implement, gov’t un-funded mandate issue, Grant opportunities to cover PPE and laundering facilities, the “10 year Rule” (maximum life-span of PPE). The act will have a five year phase-in period. Year one will have requirement to conduct “Advanced Inspection” and “Annual Inspections”. Helmets are high on list for replacement to CalOSHA approved gear.  

Apparatus: No report today. Joe added there has been a consolidation of ambulance companies into REVONE: a public company who bought several major manufacturers including KME and E-1 manufacturing.  

Technology: Discussion on the web-site work.

Venders: FDIC In Indianapolis Joe recommends everyone attend at least once, it’s the best look at all the equipment available in the market place.  April 26th thru 30th, 2017.


  • Program: Initial Accident Investigations- a Guide for Incident Safety Officers

Presenter: Brian Bulger - Ventura County Fire Department (Retired) , Incident Safety Officer

            Insert program PP/PDF

Presentation opened with demonstration to represent a group of people with observable skill sets but who don’t routinely work together (similar to resources assigned to an incident):

 A display of 6 individuals performing a task as directed by a “supervisor” who provided specific instructions on the task to be completed (a 7’ stick exercise). The exercise demonstrated the difficulty in coordinating a group of “experts” to complete a series of tasks using DIRECTIONS ONLY, then demonstrated the observable improvements in task completion with LEADERSHIP ADDED (pushing the stick down to establish momentum towards successful completion).  Discussion on “leadership” and “Followership” roles in a program.

Tony Duran then related his experience’s investigating numerous accident investigations while working for LACoFD as a Safety Officer. Many times another agency will take the “Lead Investigative Role” to cancel out any biases or favoritism. 

Scott Quinn related some helpful tips:

  • Don’t call it an ACCIDENT, it’s always referred to as n INCIUDENT.

  • Maintain the demeanor that were trying to resolve a safety matter, not a disciplinary matter – even though a disciplinary action may come if warranted.



  1. Review any previous similar statement or evidence available.

  2. Make a written or mental note of “Known” issues.

  3. Make a written or mental note of the “Need to Know” issues.


  1. Properly identify yourself.

  2. Give reason for interview without disclosing case details.

  3. Conduct interview with all witnesses.


  1. Comment on topics of apparent interest to the interviewee.

  2. Establish confidence by friendly confidence – downplay the investigator roles.

  3. Keep conversation informal and easy.

  4. Be pleasant and avoid unpleasant expressions.

  5. Tape record interview, if possible.


  1. State date, time, place of interview, name of interviewer and interviewee.

  2. Have interviewee acknowledge and and permit tape recording of interview for the record.

  3. Have interviewee state occupation and any technical background.

  4. Ask Interviewee of what he / she heard or observed that was unusual before or after the accident / investigation.
    Have interviewee describe what happened.

  5. Ask for other witnesses.



  1. Label all taped cassettes / notes and secure a “CONFIDENTIAL” marked enveloped. Forward to the Departments Safety Office.





  1. Obtain Briefing from Incident Commander.

  2. Secure the scene with barricade tape – utilize Police or Department personnel or other assistance.


  1. Photograph:

    1. Major Incident – Department photographer

    2. Routine Incident – Disposable (Digital or Smart Phone)

  2. Diagram and measure the scene

  3. Account for any movement of physical evidence.

  4. Vehicle accidents and potential criminal circumstances – local police agency in charge of investigation and evidence.


  1. Name, address, work and home telephone numbers.

  2. Their location at the time of the accident.


  1. Interviews conducted by the Duty Safety Officer are to be considered FACT FINDING in nature only. Fact finding issues are those related to the following items:

  2. Equipment Performance

  3. Safety Practice

  4. Standard Techniques

  5. Training

  6. Issues of a non-punitive nature

  7. If, for any reason, during the interview it is discovered that wrongdoing or gross negligence were factors in the accident, the interview process shall cease immediately and the Department of Human Resources shall be contacted for direction. This action is to preclude any violation of the employees’ rights.


Three “categories / things” Safety Officers should classify:

  1. Items – Things we all can discuss without specifics

  2. Concerns – An observed risk / hazard we all can discuss and determine a “best case” solution.

  3. Issues – Already happened


  • Who owns the problem? Critical Factor in analysis of accident. The more complex the incident the more difficult the analysis.

  • Route Cause Analysis – Un-layering to the most basic task level

  • Swiss Cheese analogy (one slice – see light, add additional slices and less shines through).

  • Seven coinciding events that lead to an accident (USAF)

  • Who owns the problem? Related his experience with a burn-over (Rucker – Cedar Fire) that occurred outside of Julian, Ca.: Extinguished FF’s burning body, took photos and notes on situation. Didn’t know who was “in –charge” as the incident hadn’t built to a complete incident command structure.

  • Utilize “Job aides” (Lap top, forms) to help document and format the investigative pathway going forward.

  • Have checklists, similar investigative documents from prior incidents.

  • Your Expectations: Have a good an idea what you want to accomplish on an investigation, understanding your investigation may simply “attach” to another agencies investigation when they have a larger / more appropriate level of investigation.

  • Discussion of CalOSHA’s role:

  • Uses the :SOP’s, standards from “host agency / jurisdiction” to apply.



Meeting recessed to Vender Time at 1125

Meeting reconvened at 1145 for roundtable

  • Board of Supervisor Kelly Longer addressed the meeting and expressed appreciation for our work on behalf of employee and health safety.


Steve Hoyle – CalFire / OCFDCa Fire Museum and learning center. Encourages out-reach to the Irvine City Council @  to support the California Fire Museum in the future Great Park.  

Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton Fire Department (Retired) – Relates the use of flags over deceased is not allowed in federal incidents.  

Capt Cardenas – LAFD Safety Coordinator – Numerous promotions (60) in the LAFD all the way up the ranks. Running two academies now, will trim to one next year. Working on an “Overhaul Committee” to consider how the agency leaves fire scenes to minimize toxic exposures to crews. They want to eliminate or at least minimize overhaul in the future. He related some issues with gasoline fueled smoke ejectors as a source of CO. Related / reminded attendees of the Federal death benefit for ff families.

Scott Quinn – AC LAFD – Added to the discussion on overhaul and it’s connection to Cancer in FF’s. LAFD now has psychologists to help with FF Health issues.

Scott  Bethurum  - CAL Fire Riverside – Related they’ve recently installed extractors (31 sites so far) to help with 1851 PPE laundering. Recently received an $18,000 citation for not providing adequate water in a heat illness incident. Discussion followed with agency representatives with experience fighting CalOSHA citations relating their advice. 

Don Reyes LAFD – World Fire Police Games – August7-16th web site: Related information available at the website:, opening ceremony at the LA Coliseum.   

Tony Duran –ASTI -  LACoFD (Retired) – Related ASTI teaches agencies on the response to Anhydrous ammonia incidents. Adds the only rescue from an NH3 incident will be by first responders in 1872 PPE with SCBA as waiting for a reinforced response by HazMateers with class A suits will be too late to save a victim.

Brian Bulger – Retired and enjoying life!

Joe Sposato- AllStar – SCOTT being purchased by 3M, ($2 Billion), 3M known for innovation and allowing its daughter companies to operated unhindered. SCOTT Thermal Imager available. Lion apparel V-Force Turn-Out available. Future is focused on keeping PPE CLEAN for FF health. Phoenix Helmets have new head pads for the inside top.

Mike Klusyk - Santa Barbara County Fire – Works on stations and grounds, Chair of Safety Specialist Group with FIRESCOPE. Expecting a severe fire season due to heavy rains this year. SART

John Flores – Santa Monica Fire – Organizing PPE program, purchases, maintenance etc.

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Discussed “SMART” vehicles and the requirements for monitoring equipment to document the operation of all commercial vehicles. More info should be available at FDIC. Western States Fire Equipment represent “Rosenbauer” apparatus.

Tim Macee –Torrance Fire Dept. – Safety Committee member in Torrance. Recently attended IAFF Legislative Conference in DC, Discussed the conference and the Torrance refinery issues which use HF in their production of hydrocarbon products.  All Torrance personnel use “station shoes” (black tennis shoes) when they leave the rig to eliminate blood borne pathogens etc. from station / quarters and are removing 80% of station carpeting. “Fire” gear gets removed prior to entering quarters and bagged for cleaning. “Fire Hood Fridays” is a local standard developed to ensure protective hoods are maintained in a clean condition.

Kevin Schroepfer - Oxnard Fire Department – Initiative to support: ”Clean Fire Station” programs: assigns two hoods / man to ensure protective hoods are maintained in a clean condition .

Rob Szczepanek - Ventura County FD has all Rosenbauer apparatus, purchase a quint, water recycling trailers has saved millions of gallons of water while training – drilling. Had a “heat related” illness that was reported as “Heat Exhaustion” which should not be used as were not Ds – we do not diagnose.

Steve Cooley – COBRA Litter – will have a sample at next meeting that addresses the enhancements requested by SAFER members.

Jim Clearey – Plymovent Air Exchange – Related diesel exhaust is the only listed carcinogen FF’s are exposed to everyday in the worked place. WHO has now stated diesel exhaust is a hazard as a carcinogen.

David Molinatti - Industrial Scientific – Related 35k times users have turned off their (4-gas) monitors while in alarm mode. Some relate they found the alarm distracting others related they didn’t know what to do in response to the alarm. New IS monitors actually annunciate what actions the user should take when in alarm. 

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry – New scanner capability to track and monitor equipment settings for proper laundering to be shown at FDIC in April.

Ryan Johnson – SoCal PPE Laundry – Class in June for PPE Class will train FF’s to conduct in house PPE inspections. Look for details.

Alexis Labbe’ – Leader Fire Equipment Supply – Discussed their company and the products they represent. Will have a booth at FDIC. Has a new line of nozzles being tested at North Net in Anaheim. Has Search-Cam equipment, FOAM supplies and rescue equipment for USAR work.

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Commented on the meeting today and expressed appreciation for the efforts on SAFETY being made across the nation. Related the Hood problem and related several solutions to eliminate the toxicity being detected.  Related each wash needs 3 x rinses per wash.

Keith Gurrola- Fillmore Fire – Next month’s meeting M A Y be in San Dimas Forestry HQ. or Santa Monica

May meeting is scheduled for  Ventura county Fire  

1145 Meeting adjourned to BBQ lunch hosted by Fillmore Fire Foundation.


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)

Agency / Co                 NAME              PHONE #                      EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)      Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993     California fire muaseum    steve hoyle        9494965688       


Camp Pendleton Fire ret. Jeff Wilkerson 949-830-087 

ASTI    LACoFD Retired   Tony Duran    

Los Angeles Fire Dept    Scott Quinn   213-434-1380

CAL FIRE/ RCoFD   Scott Bethurum    951-575-5391

Western States Fire EquipLouie Garcia   213-272-5680

Fillmore Fire      Keith Gurrola    805-558-0932

Santa Monica Fire     John Flores    805-236-5633

Industrial Scientific    David Molinatti    714-403-1915

Cobra Litters        Steve Cooley       805-377-5348 

Torrance Fire Dept.    Tim McAtee     310-344-1490

Santa Barbara Co Fire Dept.  Michael

Ventura City Fire DeptLuis Manzano805-256-8533


Solutions Safety     Jim Evans 770-634-0848

SoCal PPE   Ryan Johnson   619-993-1164

Los Angeles Fire Department     Don Reyes    213359-1054

Los Angeles Fire Department    John Cardenas   661-917-7019

Bestway Laundry SolutionsEric higgins18005426166

oxnard    Kevin.Schroepfer     805385-7709``    kevin,

VCFD     Robert Szczepanek   805-914-4021

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - January 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

January 20, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Fortman, VP Weise,Past Presidents Dolan,   Seely, Quinn, Gurrola, Vender Liaison Sposato

Los Angeles County  Fire Department

Fire Camp 2   

1010    Meeting called to order -  President B/C Fortman LAFD welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to Los Angeles County Fire Department for use of the facility for morning snacks and coffee.

SAFER will introduce todays program and forego the usual business meeting as the annual Board of Directors meeting will be held immediately after the scheduled monthly SAFER meeting.

Pres Fortman related the importance of SAFER and the relationships it fosters to further safety in the Fire Family”. He congratulated Board Member Scott Quinn on his recent promotion to Battalion Chief with the Los Angeles Fire Department.

Pres Fortman introduced our program presenter, Chief Kirk Owen, relating his appreciation for the assistance he provided in developing the LAFD PPE program.

1015    VP Dick Weise opened the SAFER meeting and led the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.


  • Program: NFPA 1851

  • Past, Present and Future

Presenter: Chief Kirk Owen, Plano Texas Fire Department (Retired)

            Former Chair of NFPA 1971 / 1851 Committee, Regional Sales Manager, Veridian

  • Insert program PDF

1877 – Selection, Care and Maintenance of Wildland PPE

1851 covers PPE found in the 1971 Standard


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)



Agency / Co                         NAME                       PHONE #                              EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)        Chuck Seely (949) 492-7993

PLYMOVENT/AIR EXCHANGE   steve harris       909-973-8211      


ASTI       Tony Duran  626-590-2991

Allstar Fire    Stuart Lovi        626-255-0433

Los Angeles County Fire          Dick Weise                  951 807-1914

City of Downey Fire                Pete Browne               562.243.3393  

Municipal Emerg.  Services    Lazaro Martinez          562-320-2385  

CAL FIRE                                  Bob Wood                   951-757-8331  

Kern County Fire DepatmentSteven Salkeld             661-645-2020  

LAFD Retired                           James Dolan                562-400-1298  

LAFD                                        John A Cardenas         661-917-7019  

Torrance Fire                        Jon Henderson            310-977-5619  

Allstar                                    Joe Sposato                 626-652-0900  

Bestway Laundry                     Eric Higgins                 951-532-7700  

Veridian                                  Kirk Owen                   712-260-3547  

CAL FIRE Riverside County      Barry Owens               951-218-4309  

CAL FIRE Riverside County      Scott Bethurum           951-575-5391  

Fillmore City Fire                    Keith Gurrola            805-377-1491  

Ventura County Fire                Michael Weisenberg805-990-4326  

Vernon Fire                             Craig Peltier                661.618.1779  

Vernon Fire                             Bob Farrell                  951-741-6695  

Curtis                                       Scott Marshall             626-840-7589  

LAFD/SAFER Pres                    Ellsworth Fortman      213-700-0668  

Western States Fire Equip.     Louie Garcia                909-510-4266  

Ventura City Fire                     Brandyn Johnson         805-551-6086  

Curtis                                       Ashley Silcott               626-250-1772  

Ventura City Fire                     Lou Manzano            805-256-8522  

Curtis                                       Charles Turansky        818-398-6818  

Tencate                                   Bart McCool                541-221-5002  

ECMS                                       Bob Mercurio            562-266-8465  

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - December 2016

SAFER Meeting Minutes

December 16, 2016

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Fortman, VP Weise, Seely, Quinn,

Santa Fe Springs Fire Department

 Santa Fe Springs Fire Headquarters   

1010    Meeting called to order – D/C Hayward welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting,. Thanks to Santa Fe Springs Fire Department for use of the facility and Ruth with Santa Fe Springs FDfor morning brunch and coffee.

1015    VP Dick Weise opened the SAFER meeting and led  the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.


  • Program: “Burn It Down”- Bomb Factory House

Presenter: Nick Vent – San Diego County Haz-Mat (Retired)

 HazMat and Safety Training

Introduced a 2 –Day course that will be offered through DOT in March, 2017 in the LA Area. Flyer to be forwarded to list via email.

Escondido California 1954 Scott

Gardener stepped on a stone while clearing brush which exploded, injuring him. Medics responded and assessed the victim (one was a HazMat FF) and treated the victim. The FD responded PD who took the scene over as a crime scene.

On scene FD turned their radio to all-call and stated “may-day, may-day we need PD assistance” which caused a mass response from all resources in the area.

The issue of jurisdiction arose:

  • San Diego Sheriff

  • Escondido PD

  • San Marcos Fire

  • County Haz-Mat

6 Mason Jars of unknown material were located – found to be 98% pure organic peroxide (HMTD – Hexamethylene Tri-Peroxide Diamine-). Jars had signs of rust on the jars.

Fusion Center found the tenant was a naturalized US citizen of Russian origin. His wife was still a Russian citizen. Had made numerous trips to Mexico in the prior month and had purchased commercial Castor Beans for unknown purposes. Pack-Rat conditions revealed numerous materials that are pre-curses for HMTD.  

5# HMTD was the chemical – explosive used in the London bus bombing.


  • Citric Acid (Vitamin C)

  • Hexamine (Sterno)

  • Hydrogen Peroxide – Commercially / Consumer

  • Methyl / Ethyl Alcohol

Dissolve Haxamine



DEH HazMat was responded by SD Co Sheriffs Bomb squad as they left their station as “Tec-Refs”

Objective: to render SAFE the 6 mason jars of HMTD

Video of the individual jars was shown to demonstrate the relative power of the material (HMTD)

Several methods to accomplish this was studied by FBI Bomb experts and HazMat staff. One problem was the remaining HMTD in the soil. The suspect had been dumping his waste in the gravel behind the house. They decided to make a mixture of 5% Sodium Hydroxide and XXX to reduce the Ph


9th Civil Support Team out of Los Alamitos was able to respond and provide assistance to the incident.

DTRA – Defence Threat Reductiion Agency, Fed State EPA and Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.

DEH pursued mapping and plume predictions.

Bomb Squad utilized Ahura RMX was used to run samples in the backyard

Interview with suspect”George” :

  • No radiation

  • No Ricin, Castor Beans only

  • HMTP referred to as “Puffer Powder”

  • Hydrogen Peroxide

  • Sulfuric Acid

  • Hydrogen Cyanide

  • Bulk Lead

  • Fragmentation (Pineapple) grenade molds

  • Precursors for Nitro-Glycerin

  • Quantities of PETN

  • Whole hand grenades

  • Lab gear used to do chemistry

  • Equipment to increase potency of various chemicals.

  • Bulk ammunition of various calibers

  • “Dye Packs” with $$ attached from multiple bank robberies in the San Diego area.

  • 50 garage door openers

  • Christmas “ornaments”

  • Door-Bell was wired to a switch

  • Camo material

  • Ammo Boxes full of all kinds of bomb making materials

  • Home-made Blasting caps, made from shell casings with light bulb filaments imbedded in HMTD. Tested by Bomb Tec’s – all worked

  • Home-Made Thermite in jars

  • 14# of finished HMTD

  • Tracking Devices (from Bank robberies)

  • Police Uniform

  • Various disguises


Damage to the residence was noted from numerous accidental explosions which occurred as the suspect made various bomb types.

Finding the scene to be so un-safe to continue, Command stopped work and regrouped to determine the safest method of mitigating the hazard. A meeting of all stake holders found some opposition but after fully explaining the rational, finally agreed to the tactic. IAP’s, media notification, necessary evacuations were planned. All accessible evidence was collected to remove as many toxics from the down-stream plume. 

They decided to burn the house and all contents  

60 Agencies involved: Local, County, State, Federal as limited military as Technical Reference sources.

Video of Jan Caldwell (PIO for SD Sheriffs Dept) was shown. She explained various questions by the media which helped to ease certain concerns of the public. A “Town-Hall” meeting was held.

A Local Declaration of Emergency was issued; State Agencies were tapped to assist in the clean-up and financial issues.

A “Fire Wall” was built to protect adjacent properties. ($20,000)

Used a Web Page to provide info to public

Air Monitoring strategy was developed to document the environment during and after the planned fire out to 2 miles. (Model showed the plume to stay within 75’ of the property). Heat measurement was used to insure the heat level was reached that would destroy the chemicals on site. Smoke went 2600’ straight up during the fire.

HazMat Incinerators run at 1900 degrees, the interior temp of the house was 2600 degrees. A Burn Plan was used to burn the chemicals stored in the living areas then expose and spread into the bedrooms.


Numerous chemicals were targeted for monitoring, including radiological isotopes.

Property Owner was offered $100,000 by the county. She refused and

George Jakubek was given 30 years for the bank robberies

He admitted making exposives


Next Meeting in LACoFD



Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:

AllStar and Curtis and Plymovent


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)

Agency / Co                                         NAME PHONE #                                             EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)                                    Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993 

Downey Fire                                        Peter Browne(562) 243-3393 

PLYMOVENT/AIR EXCHANGE             JIM CLEAERY   909-720-7064  

SD County HIRT - Retired                    Nick Vent         619-778-9500  

LAFD                                                    Ellsworth Fortman 661-645-1810

CURTIS                                                            Scott Marshall 626-840-7589  

Los Angeles County Fire                      Dick Weise      951 807-1914    

Los Angeles County Fire                      Chris Marangakis (562) 553-2619

Fillmore City Fire                                Keith Gurrola805-558-0932  

Ventura Co, Fire                                  Robert Szczepanek 805-914-4021

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - November 2016


SAFER Meeting Minutes

November 18, 2016

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Fortman, VP  Weise, ,Quinn, Seely, Alvarado, Past President Duran, Past President Dolan

Long Beach Fire Department


0900 – 0945    Vender Display / Networking         

1000    Meeting called to order –  B/C President Fortman (Batt 13)  welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting , introduced B/C Alvarado (LBFD) who led the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military. Thanks to LBFD for use of the facility and John Price - MES for hospitality lunch.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

1000 – 1130    Presentation – Assistant Chief Corey Rose -“Firefighter Behavioral Health”

  • Program: FD/LEO Command Operations

 Chief Ed Hadfield – Rincon Fire Department / Firetown Training Specialist


“One Team – Command Concepts” – Command Concepts for the New Normal” pp

A concept developed in Huntington Beach FD & PD. They wanted to better coordinate first responders at / during major events and incidents. The concept was a “Segway” to promote the use of “Incident Command System” within the “LAW” side like the “FIRE” side uses frequently.

Chief Hadfield related the risks in the City of Santa Maria (MS 13 etc.) “thrill” murders which forced the FD/LEO units to coordinate using IC system routinely for daily operations.

The concept of routinely utilizing the ICS is based as an “organic level”, at the basic operational level. Patrol Officers, Sergeants levels MUST buy in to be successful. 

Command puts people at risk, our job is to determine the “Level of Risk” we’re willing to expose them to.

Our job is to put people at risk to serve the community, the LAW side’s job is to provide overwatch to protect our people and the public.

FD/LEO Goal: “You home, I go home”

Personal “Medical Plan”: Each LAW member produced a medical plan that was carried within the B/C’s car in case an officer was injured. The medics would take the info to the hospital. Includes everything about the officer as well as specific instructions he wants to be done on his behalf.

B/C’s would attend briefings prior to high risk warrant services, major crime incidents and similar event profiles. Casualty Collection Points (CCPs), Com. Plan, Staging locations and Hospital locations determined during briefing.  Mutual Aid assets, Auto Aid agencies with non-common communications need to be identified and policy / procedures for mitigation planned.


P – Patrol Culture

R – Respond – Need to respond with LAW on routine calls to contribute at the CP

I – Initiate – Involve yourself in the Command

D – Decide

E- Evaluate

S - Serve


In Santa Maria benefits were noted in many critical incidents where assets were on scene and positioned for quick response.

Chief Hadfield recommended “Plate Carriers” in lieu of traditional body armor. The front side was for the public, the back has equipment for the team member: Israeli bandages, tourniquets, dressings etc. Ballistic helmets were utilized by fire service.

Radio traffic needs a Tactical Channel for the incident.

B/C Fortman (LAFD) related LAPD has outstanding policies to include FD/EMS in briefings. Rescue Task Forces are outside the IDLH but proximate to the incident. They have “Tactical Medics” with dual band radios to communicate with both sides. The Tactical Medics are to provide aid to team members, the Rescue Task Force provides aid to victims, perp’s.

Discussion on whether to wear “Fire Gear” over body armor or “blend” into appearance of other incident members. Chief Hadfield feels it’s better to appear as menacing as possible to avoid being a “Target in Yellow Brush Gear”.

Chief related he produced a “Ten Things LAW should not do at a structure fire”.




  • Business Meeting:

Dues: Please pay annual dues per website fee schedule.

1130 -1200 Roundtable

  • Roundtable:

Alex Warehouse

Robert Takashida LAFD: Risk Management Chief

Ron Barome - Burbank Fire- Training Officer

Scott Quinn LAFD: Medical Liaison Officer related LA has many medical claims every year. Injuries, Illnesses, equipment

Chad Stuart LAFD: New member in Risk Management – Litigation liaison.

Ken Cardenas LAFD Safety Coordinator- Looking into overhaul procedures graduated 42 members with two more in process. JOIN

B/C Fortman LAFD – New EMS Bureau assignment. LAFD down to 200 vacancies from last year’s 300. New resources are coming on-line this year. SAFER board meeting in early December to plan next board. Recognized Capt Jim Dolan’s contribution to LAFD Safety Programs.

Mike Schlagg- Cart System: new tires will be available for off road, loop to be added to attach ropes to rear.

Steve Cooly – Cobra Carts representative: Discussed design changes to improve the performance / utility of the Cobra Cart System. Rated at 1000#, black unit for SWAT operations.

Jim Dolan LAFD Retired – Words of wisdom

Lazaro Martinez – Cascade Fire Equipment – Manufacture of skid units, distributor of PPE and fire equipment.

Stuart Luvi – AllStar Fire Equipment – Recommended attending the Hawaiian Fire Chiefs Association Annual Meeting on Maui. $200/night at Ritz-Carlton. $25 to join association. Related the newest SCOTT IR equipped mask.

Dick Weise LACoFD – NFPA Safety Briefing on washing hoods coming out. CA concerns and contamination reduction are

1877 document for SCAM of Wildland Ensemples. Working on new “lighter” fire shelters. Dozers and helicopter pilot gloves are being reviewed. Dual compliancenew station pants are being purchasing Station / wildland pants as a PPE. Undergarment to be bought out of uniform allowances. Helmet liners are a concern in units that don’t have removable liners for cleaning. Hoods to filter out contaminates down to one micron (98% of what’s in smoke). REM Teams: Rapid Emergency Medics. Cancer reduction program coming – NFPA, IAFF contributing to a package program.

John Price (JP) LACoFD Retired – Arranged use of facility. MES distributor of PPE and fire equipment.

Firefighter Cancer Support Network Vice President – Brian Feebers Pasadena Fire Marshal new President. Related recommendations for reducing CANCER risks: Clean / Replace soiled hoods, leave contaminated gear OUTSIDE, clean as per 1855. Buy cleaning packets to reduce skin contact transmitted toxins from tools and skin.

Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc. – Manufactures representative for several companies.



  • next meetings:

  1. December @ Santa Fe Springs    

  2. January 20, 2017 @ LACoFD Camp 2                                                      



Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)        November 18th, 2016

Agency / Co                                   NAME PHONE #                                 EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)                  Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993 

Cascade Fire Equipment Co          Lazaro Martinez 714-715-8189

Allstar Fire Equipment                  Stuart Lovi 626-255-0433         

Ammonia Safety Training Institute - ASTI            Tony Duran 626-590-2991

Los Angeles County Fire                Dick Weise 951 807-1914         

LAFD Retired                                 Jim Dolan        562-421-3258  

LAFD                                            John A. Cardenas 661-917-7019

Rincon Fire Department               Ed Hadfield 9518582444          

Cobra Litters LLC                        Mike Schlags   805-896.7993  

Los Angeles Fire Department       Chad Stuart 213 4826933         

Burbank FD                                   Ron Barone 818-823-6560        

Atwood-Prior MFGR Rep            Tom Martin 937-689-2222       

Cobra Litters LLC                        Steve Cooley   805-377-5348  

long beach                                                paul alvarado562 5703003               paul alvarado

MES                                               John Price        562-212-6803  

LAFD                                              Scott Quinn     (213) 434-1380 




Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Michael Schlags – Cobra Rescue Litters


P.O. Box 1981

Buellton[CS1]  , CA 93427-1981

(805) 896-7993

Spencer, Iowa   51301


Lazaro Martinez – Cascade Fire Equipment Co.

(626) 255-0433 Cell


Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc.

Manufacturers Agent

(937) 689-2222

2895 Valpak Rd. N.E.

Salem, OR97303

(800) 545-5678




SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - October 2016


SAFER Meeting Minutes

October 21, 2016

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Fortman, Weise, Seely, Quinn, Alvarado, Past President Duran, Vender liaison Sposato

Los Angeles Fire Department

 Frank Hotchkin Memorial Training Center   

0900 – 0945    Vender Display on drill deck           

0945    Meeting called to order –  B/C President Fortman (Batt 13)  welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting with an update on the LAFD department, led the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military. Thanks to LAFD for use of the facility and President Fortman for hospitality.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

1000 – 1130    Presentation – Assistant Chief Corey Rose -“Firefighter Behavioral Health”

  • Program: Firefighter Behavioral Health

Assistant Chief Corey Rose – “Emergency Medical Services Bureau”

(Working on Masters in Organizational Psychology)

Chief Rose related his “near death experience” during an entrapment event at the “KING FIRE”- (Sept 17, 2014, Northern California near Lake Tahoe). He was assigned as ‘STRUCTURE PROTECTION BRANCH” on a management team. He produced a series of photographs of the fire progression towards his position and related what was going through his mind that contributed to his decisions.  The experience struck home with the Chief and became a motivating factor in his pursuit of firefighter stress and behavioral health to help. He related the incidents of suicides within the fire service community and the PTSD phenomenon.

Decision’s under stress:


  • Stay Calm

  • Think Clearly


There are times when quitting looks good, defeat inescapable and retreat the only option.

PowerPoint by AC Rose - “Can’t Take it Anymore? Keeping Firefighters Happy: An Inside Job


Little empirical data is available regarding FF/EMS suicides.

Family issues and work issues combined

Risk Factors:

  • Divorce

  • Trauma

  • Stress

  • Sudden Fame

  • Suicide

Suicide Motivation:

  • Loss/change in important relationship

  • Avoid or end perceived pain

  • Escape an intolerable situation


Indirect Suicide Indicators:

Buying a weapon

  • Indirect Verbal cues:

  • I cant do this anymore

  • Im tired of life

  • Etc.

Direct Verbal Cues:

  • I’m tired of life

  • I’m going to kill myself

  • Etc.

Resilience “ Psych & Behavioral Lingo

Resilience= ability to withstand negative pressure

Resilient people experience negative circumstances associated with poor psychological and social outcomes yet despite the odds, the end up healthy and productive:

  • Mentally ill or abusive parents

  • Deprived social or economic conditions

  • Major stressful events

Related to:

  1. Biology – temperament, emotions etc.

  2. Attachment

  3. Control

90% of the population lacks traits to be emergency responders.

 “Adrenaline Junkies”:

  • Control Oriented

  • Attentive to detail

  • Traditional

  • Strong Role Identity

  • Action Oriented

  • Risk Takers

  • Highly Dedicated

Emergency Services - Stressful?

Most Stressful Jobs: Firefighter is #1

  • FF’s will seek clergy over professional mental health by 40.9% over 7.4%

  • FFs tend to have positive views about the world despite continued exposure to traumatic events.

Stress in EMS Providers:

  • 1,600 EMT’s and Medics surveyed

  • 100% reported exposure to traumatic events

  • PTSD incidence lower than general population.

Immune to stress?

  • FFs are human

  • They are highly effective on the job

Relationship Stressors:

Work Schedules – cause you to miss important events, occasions

Loyalty – to members, agencies, associates

Divorce – Attorney data suggest FFs have high rate of divorce. Family, home relationship issues likely related to work.

NFPA 1500 – Chapter 11: Behavioral Health and Wellness Program.

The FS Org will develop ………………

Employee Assistance Programs

  • EAP

  • NFF: Behavioral Health Assistance Program (BHAP)

  • Regardless of what you call it, they must be familiar and be prepared to treat firefighters.


  • Began in 1800’s to deal with ETOH problems

  • Expanded in 1950’s to mental health

Behavioral Health:

  • AKA: Mental Health

  • As important as physical health and safety

  • Left untreated, leads to illness and death

  • Covers a wide range of issues:

  • Sleep problems

  • Anager management

  • Depression

  • PTSD

  • Substance abuse and addiction

RESILIENCE: The Bottom Line:

Problem focused coping increases resilience while emotion-focused coping impairs resiliency


Resilient people are:

  • Sociable

  • Optimistic

  • Flexible

  • Self-confident

  • Competent

  • Insightful

  • Etc.

You play the hand you’re dealt –

Promoting Resilience:


Social Support

Stress Prevention: FFs must have good stress management skills; most stress in emergency services is not from extraordinary events/incidents but from day to day activities and responsibilities.

Stress Prevention:

Ranking causes of burnout:

  1. 911 abusers

  2. Extensive shift lengths

  3. Sleep depravation

  4. Etc.

Tips for Stress management for firefighters:

  • Condition your body and mind

  • Listen to your inner voice

  • Never stop growing and learning

  • Be positive

  • Have a life outside the fire department

What do we do as leaders?

Maintain an environment of security, of support, create opportunities for success, maintain respect, reward, since of inclusion, allow others to have a since of identity, show benevolence.

Chief Rose discussed “Leadership” and the leadership program delivered at the training center and its availability to all agencies.

Define Leadership: “Influence and motivation of others even in the absence of the leader”. Based on the development of “Trust” between leader and those being led”.

Three Pillars of Leadership:

  1. Ability

  2. Integrity

  3. Benevolence

Servant Leader

Transitional Leader




*PowerPoint Presentation, Check Sheets and Test parameters available from presenters upon request.



  • Business Meeting:

Dues: Please pay annual dues per website fee schedule.

1130 -1200 Roundtable

  • Roundtable:

Dick Weise: Related recent NFPA Committee activity, expressed appreciation of the SAFER org.

Scott Quinn Capt II – LAFD : Heat / Ilness prevention program completed, completing Drill tower classes.

Ells Fortman BC  LAFD formed an equipment committee to contribute to future purchases

Alvarado Long Beach FD: Related appreciation of SAFER as imormation source.

Tony Duran  LACoFD (Retired) Now with Ammonia Institute, giving training nationally and in South America.

Treasures report: $

Reminds all to pay dues online to support the organization.

Jim Cleary: PlymoVent – Related the hazards of diesel exhaust.

Mike Slaggs – Related some info on the recent roll-over accident in Ventura County FD. Discussed his extraction cart system demonstrated below.

McGee - Torrance Fire – Discussed the problems with pathogens migration into the work place (change gear outside station, polished concrete floors instead of carpet.

ScottCalFire Riverside; Related he is the new Safety Officer for CalFire Riverside. Related the efforts they have undertaken on behalf of FF health and safety.

Joe Sposado – Vender LiasonAllStar Fire: Related the recent Fire Tech Reno event. NFPA Standard on SCBAs: A change to the “Sound” requirement will increase the volume of the alert feature. All new MUST comply, those already in service MAY update. Chicago is changing over to the ORCO spec PPE.

Jack Kolta -Pt Mago – Fed Fire Ventura County – San Nicolas Island, New Fire Chief, related the Island has no diesel fuel – uses JP 5 to fuel apparatus.

Jim Black –

B/C – Ventura County – Related the support VCoFD received during the LODD funeral for their firefighter killed in roll-over accident was exceptional.

Eric Higgins Laundry Extractors systems – Related his company supplies, installs and services extractors in support of NFPA 1851 requirements. 

Scott Periguin – Best Way Laundry – Looking to include bar-codes to interface with PPE to properly match wash cycles.

Lazaro Martinez Cascade Fire Equipment – Wildland PPE out of Medford Oregon will have booth at Firehouse world.

Bren Cohee – Christian Bros – Diesel Exhaust Installation Company Rep for Nederman.

Kirk Owen -  Veridian Fire Protective Gear - NFPA PPE committee, CalOSHA will be adapting NFPA 1851 as a recognized standard for SCAM.  

Luois Garcia Western States Fire Equipment –

Tracy Fire Equipment – Local company

Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc. – Manufactures representative for several companies.


  • LN Curtis Next meeting

  • Long Beach FD next meeting:       Long Beach Fire Headquarters

                                                      3205 N Lakewood Blvd

                                                      Long Beach, CA90808

                                                      “FD/LEO Command Operations” – Fire Chief Ed Hadfield

Rincon FD & Firetown Training Specialist

  • Please RSVP to John Price at MES for a lunch head count by 11/16/16                                                       



Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)        21-Oct-16

First Name            Last Name                   Agency/Company                                Email Address

Tony          Duran            LACoFD, ret./ASTI                     

Scott          Bethurum        CAL FIRE/ Riverside County      

Shannon    Black               VCFD                                         

Paul           Alvarado          LBFD                                          

John           Cardenas         LAFD                                          

Chuck        Seely                Downey Fire (Retired)                          

Dick           Weise            LA County Fire                           

Tom           Martin             Atwood Prior factory representation

Tim            McAtee           Torrance Fire                          

Eric                        Higgins                        Bestway Laundry Solutions       

Scott          Peregoy           UnimacLaundry Systems         

Michael     Schlags                        COBRA Litters LLC                    

Louie         Garcia             Western States Fire Equipment

Ellsworth   Fortman          LAFD/SAFER President              

Kirk            Owen               Veridian Fire Protective Gear   

Jack           Koltaj               Fedderal fire Ventura County   

JIM                        CLEARY            PLYMOVENT                             

Joe             Sposato            Allstar Fire                                

Michael     Weisenberg     Ventura County Fire                  

Lazaro       Martinez         Cascade Fire Equipment Co.     

scott          quinn               LAFD                                          

tracy          rabe                 LineGear Fire & Rescue            

Bren          Cohee            Christian Brothers/Nederman  




Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Michael Schlags – Cobra Rescue Litters


P.O. Box 1981

Buellton[CS1]  , CA 93427-1981

(805) 896-7993


Kirk H. Owen – Regional Sales Manager – Veridian Fire Protective Gear

(888) 922-9433

(712) 260-3547

(712) 262-5200 #217

3710 W Milwaukee St.

Spencer, Iowa   51301


Frank Uram- President-  Quala-Tel Communications

Tel (858) 577-2900

Fax (858) 693-4109

Toll Free (800) 442-1504

Cell (858) 945-1659

9925 Business Park Avenue- Suite A

San Diego, CA92131-1171



Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment

(909) 510-4266

(213) 272-5680

13800 Valley Blvd.

Fontana, CA


Jim Evans – Solutions Safety


Lazaro Martinez – Cascade Fire Equipment Co.

(626) 255-0433 Cell


Tracy Rabe – LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment

(800) 466-7574

23121 Antonio Parkway #125

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688


Tom Ramstead – LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment

(800) 466-7574

23121 Antonio Parkway #125

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688


Jim Cleary – Plymovent

(800) 300-2945

(909) 720-7064

Air Exchange, Inc.

1494-B East Francis Street

Ontario, CA91761


Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc.

Manufacturers Agent

(937) 689-2222

2895 Valpak Rd. N.E.

Salem, OR97303

(800) 545-5678