SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - April 2019

SAFER Meeting Minutes

April 19, 2019

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Quinn, Past President Gurrola, Seely, VP Weise, Wilkerson, Szczepanek , Communications / Social Media Liaison Rabe   

Capstone Infrastructure Protection Services

2240 Auto Park Way, Escondido CA 92029

B/C Kelly Sisson , (619) 742-5573

0940    Meeting called to order – President Quinn opened the meeting and related the meeting agenda and introduced B/C Kelly Sisson who welcomed the attendees and provided location information. He related he hopes to make Capstone a regular SAFER participant / member and led the pledge of allegiance. Introduced the CEO of Capstone Infrastructure Protection Services. He related the various responsibilities and business services they offer to industry and utilities in the areas of fire-life safety, industrial safety and perimeter protection. They key on insurance support strategies such as site survey’s and fire prevention, follow-on / mop up measures in the wildland fire scenario.

Chief Quinn related the dues we pay in support the organization.

  • Thanks Capstone for the morning hospitality.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – No report available at this time.

CalOSHA –  Scott Hudson :

  • Dept of Industrial relations (DIR): is moving ahead with an Emergency Smoke Standard. This is for non-first responders.

  • Monthly Cal/OSHA “advisory meeting’s” has now ended.  

  • New Standard – Night work elimination standard.

  • Note – Valley Fever – Both a standard and endorsed by governor.

  • Working on an “Indoor Hazards” standard. (Includes high temperature locations – not incident specific locations but does cover apparatus bays and training venues.

  • Workplace violence issue is another current “hot Button” topic.

Apparatus – Rob – No report this month

 Safety and Training- No specific committee report.

Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, linkedin

Treasurer – Given by B/C Guinn for Tony Duran – Reminder to please pay your annual dues!

Communications – Tracy / Tony:

Vendor Liaison – Gabe for Joe,

*FDIC is at the end of April 27, 28 & 29 in Indianapolis.  

Program: Gas Detection Fundamentals for Fire and Emergency Response

David Molinatti – Industrial Scientific

Introduced his background and several experiences he had:

  • Volunteer Fire Dept.

  • Chimney Fire

Introduced the program agenda:

  • Gas Related Causes of Death

  • Rules to Live By

  • The Gas Monitor

  • Oxygen and Oxygen Sensor

  • Combustibles / LEL Sensors


#1 cause of “monitor failure” is not trusting the metering unit

Rules to Live By

Bump Test Monitor – How Often? Why?

            Every week: connect to docking station

            Before each use

“Peak Screen” – saves highest reading on screen until cleared before next sampling.

Use monitors per manufactures recommendations to comply with CalOSHA and recognized national standards

Electromechancal Sensors for toxic gases is like batteries- in the presence of a target gas they will react and “wear out” more quickly.

Sensor Response Time : (T90 factor) Certain sensors

LEL Sensor Options

Catalytic Bead LEL Sensor – Detection of all LEL’s. Disadvantage: High power usage. Sensor will be damaged by “silicones” like Amoral like products – calibrate if exposed 

Infrared (IR) Sensors detect combustible gases and are immune to poisons (ie silicon based lubricants). Can detect combustibles in an inert environment. Disadvantages: effected by temperatures and humities.

PID (Photoionization Detection: Detects Hydrocarbons and some inorganic vapors.


Calibrate: According to manufacturers recommended procedures – may be diffent fo


Effects of Oxygen :

  • 23.5 % Maximum Safe Level (OSHA)

  • 21.0% O2 content in air (20-954%)

  • 19.5% Minimum allowable safe

1% of Oxygen = 10,000 ppm of other gases, Oxygen = 1/5 of air

1% displacement of

43% of all deaths are oxygen diffiecency related.

#1 sensor that fails is oxygen sensor – because it’s always being exposed to its target gas (Oxygen) even when the monitor is turned off

Combustible gas LELs:

Methane 5% by volume

Propane 2.1 %

Pentane (gasoline) 1.45

Butane 1.95



A methane calibrated sensor “under estimates” the hazard – a pentane calibrated sensor will “overestimate” the hazard


Carbon Monoxide:

  • Flamable at 12.5% vol= 125,000ppm

  • CalOSHA 25 ppm TWA, 200 ppm stel

  • 200-400 headaches, dizziness, nausea

  • 800-1600 death within 1-2 hours

  • At LEL-death in 1-3 minutes

Blood has affinity for CO 200x that of O2

Hydrogen Sulfide:

  • 0.13 ppm can detect odor of H2S

  • 10 ppm – eye irritation

  • 100 ppm – loss of sence of smell in 2 minutes

  • 300 ppm – IDLH

  • Can Hide in “black puddles”

  • Inhibits cell respiration , shuts down your lungs

Hydrogen Cyanide (overhaul)

  • Colorless to pale blue liquid or gas

  • Extremely dangerous due to its toxic  

Confined Space Entry – 2x2 Rule

**Show Phoenix FD Video (on internet) on CO2 hazards

Remote Sampling:

Fault check pump and sample line prior to drawing sample

Sample top middle and bottom of the space PRIOR to entry


New Capabilities in Gas Detection:

  • Man Down and panic button

  • Peer tp Peer Wireless Communication

  • Ability to identify if data for gas readings is occurring while fire fighter is using SCBA

  • Live Monitoring (SFS Chlorine plant)

Area Monitoring:

Detects up to 7 gases -15 censoring options including PID


Agenda (from PPT – Word Transfer – May restate meeting notes above)

•          Gas Related Causes of Death

•          Monitor not working correctly – How do you identify this?

•          Not using your monitor correctly – Proper Confined Space Entry Procedure?

•          Not trusting your monitor – Why?


Rules to Live By;

Bump Test Monitor – How often?  Why?


Confined Space Entry – 2x2 Rule


When your monitor goes into alarm, immediately remove yourself from the environment, ESPECIALY if you are in a confined space. 

Peak Screen – how to use.


The Gas Monitor

•          Sensor Response Time (% x time)

•          LEL Sensor Options

•          Catalytic Bead LEL Sensor – advantages include detection of all LEL’s, linear response to LEL’s.  Disadvantaged include high power consumption, more easily poisoned.

•          Infrared (IR) Sensor – advantages include not easily poisoned, can work in inert environments, low power consumption.  Disadvantages include blind to H2 and Acetylene, designed primarily for Methane. 

•          Combustible Bead

•          Combustibles (LEL) – catalytic bead


•          Poisons

  •           Adhere to the catalyst bead

  •           Damage all or part of the sensing bead

  •           Sensor cannot recover

  •           If exposed - calibrate

  •           Most common

  • WD-40

  •           Silicone based lubricants

  •           Silicone caulking

  •           Armor All 



Infrared Sensor:

•          Infrared sensors use infrared light with filters to identify combustible gases within the specific wavelength spectrum

•          Most gases have a unique infrared wavelength signature

•          The amount of light absorbed by the gas determines the concentration present in the atmosphere

Infrared Sensor Advantages

•          Infrared sensors:

–          Will detect combustible gases in inert atmospheres

–          Are immune to poisons (e.g., silicone based lubricants, )

–          Have a quick response

–          Can be used together with a catalytic bead sensor in the same instrument

–          Sample range is 10 times greater than dilution tube

–          Have fail safe operation


Infrared Sensor Disadvantages

•          Infrared Sensors:

  •           Can be affected by temperature change

  •           Can be affected by high humidity

  •           Can be affected by dusty environments

  •           Cannot detect H2, O2, N2 , CO, Acetylene, Ammonia

  •           Can be affected by pressure change


•          Photoionization Detection:


          PID – Detects hydrocarbons and some inorganic vapors by photoionization in ppm from 0.1 to 2000 ppm

          Measure low concentrations of ionizable chemicals like Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and other toxic gases

•          Effects of Oxygen:

  •           23.5% vol – Maximum Safe Level (OSHA)

  •           21.0% vol – O2 content in air (20.954%)

  •           19.5% vol – Minimum Safe Level (OSHA, NIOSH)

  •           17.0% vol – Impairment of Judgement begins

  •           16.0 – 12.0% vol – Breathing and pulse rate increase, coordination is impaired.

  •           Effects of Oxygen

  •           14.0 – 10% vol – Fatigue, disturbed respiration

  •           10.0 – 6.0% vol – Nausea and vomiting, inability to move freely and loss of consciousness.

  •           < 6.0% vol – Convulsive movements and gasping respiration occurs; later heart rate ceases.

  •           3.0 – 5.0% vol – Life expectancy three to five minutes.

  •           LEL Correlation Factors


•          Toxic Sensors:

  •           Typical for confined space and personal monitoring is H2S and CO.

  •           Some applications may require other gasses to be detected such as NH3, SO2, HCN…


•          Carbon Monoxide Data:      

  •           Odorless and colorless.  By-product of incomplete combustion.

  •           Flammable at 12.5% vol = 125,000 ppm

  •           Cal OSHA 25 ppm TWA, 200 ppm STEL

  •           200 – 400 ppm – headaches, dizzinesss and nausea

  •           800 – 1600 ppm - death within 1 – 2 hours

  •           At LEL – death in 1-3 minutes


•          Hydrogen Sulfide Data:

  •           Colorless gas that smells like rotten eggs. 

  •           By-product of composition. 

  •           0.13 ppm can detect odor of H2S

  •           10 ppm – eye irritation

  •           100 ppm – loss of sense of smell in 2 minutes

  •           300 ppm – IDLH

  •           Can hide in “black puddles”

  •           Inhibit cell respiration, shuts down your lungs


•          Hydrogen Cyanide (overhaul):

  •           Colorless to a pale blue liquid or gas with a distinct odor resembling bitter almonds. 

  •           Extremely dangerous due to its toxic / asphyxiating effects. Eliminates O2 to tissues.

  •           Barring death, normal function quickly restored upon removal from HCN.

  •           10 – 50 ppm – headaches, dizziness, unsteady

  •           100 ppm – feeling of suffocation, nausea

  •           100 – 200 ppm – death in 30 to 60 minutes

  •           280 ppm – immediately fatal


•          CO2:

  •           H-CMvw0  minute 5:00

  •           Odorless and colorless, measured with PID or CO2 sensor.  O2 deficiency is indicator.  False high LEL reading is other indicator. Heavier than air.

  •           300 ppm (0.03% vol)

  •           10,000 pppm (1.0% vol)  - feeling clammy, lack of attention to detail, fatigue, weakness (jelly legs)

  •           50,000 – 100,000 ppm (5 – 10% vol) can quickly result in irreversible health effects


•          New Capabilities in Gas Detection:

  •           Man Down and Panic Button

  •           Peer to Peer Wireless Communication

  •           Ability to identify if data for gas readings is occurring while fire fighter is using SCBA

  •           Live Monitoring


FEATURE: Man-Down & Panic Button:

Man-Down Alarm


Two-Part Alarm:

Alert:  Alerts user to move after set amount of time with no movement


Alarm: After 120 seconds of no movement, alarm will sound


FEATURE: LENS™ Wireless:

•          Saves Lives

  •           Relying on a localized alarm is not always practical

  •           View peer gas readings, man-down, and panic alarms

  •           See gas readings from area monitors and personal monitors

  •           Rely on help from workers nearby, rather than a control center

  •           Removes obstacles

  •           Modeled after Military Mobile Ad Hoc Networks

  •           Power up monitor and Peer to Peer connectivity is automatic, No setup or IT assistance needed.


          Area Monitoring:

•          Detect up to 7 gases

  •           15 sensor options, including PID

  •           Pump option

  •           IP 66

•          Intrinsically Safe

  •           Class 1, Div 1

  •           Zone 0

•          Can Automatically connect to personal monitors

          Live Monitoring:

  •           Confined Spaces

  •           Monitor and protect your people working in and around confined spaces.




1000 Round Table:

Carsten Gulberg - Danish Fire – Has new pump / nozzle system that is 15 times more efficient that tradition nozzles. Works with water, A & B foam.  

Steve Hanks – SCOTT repr in Cal, After Sept all new SCBA’s must meet 2018 standards.

Gabe AllStar Fire – Returned from FDIC, well attended. Expect increased costs for

Rincon Fire – Interested in equipment

Jeff Larson – Kapler Level A & B suits that protect from fentyle

Delon – Pelican Products – Interduced ne special lighting product for “Smokey” environments, covers SD County and AZ

Drico ISI – reps a new nozzle that is more effience

Vern Evans Solution Safety – NFPA 1851 Training experience, discussed decon trends and procedures being developed by different agencies

Chris Palmer – Capstones

Jeff Story – Air Research – Plymovent systems

Jake ASherman – Hero wipes / ems wipes

Terry Palmer – AllStar Fire –

Eric Higgins – Bestway Laundry systems – interested in providing safety gear maintenance.  

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – Thanked PlyMoVent for recent install at Fillmore Fire Station. Foundation Golf Tournament June 1. Near miss of CalFire unit will be discussed at Forestry Wardens meeting.

Tracy LineGear – Discussed has info on fire wardens meeting. Related the Mystery Ranch gear she is representing. Thanked Capstone.

Matt Rios – Mirmar Fire EMS coordinator.

Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton Retired – Thanked Capstone for hosting discussed events planned at Camp Pendleton.

Scott Hudson – Hemet Retired – Hemet is out to bid for 2 new utility vehicles and ambulances. Discussed DRONEs and a recent FBI class giving first responders guidance on the use of DRONE’s. Discussed cyber security issues affecting water agencies.  Related the importance of networking with local PD / sheriffs to learn what hazards relating to danger

Tifani Swink – Mallory Safety & Supply -Glad to see Capstones growth and evolution in the area.

Scott Quinn – LAFD - Discussed the “Drop Program” and how it will affect institutional knowledge in the agency. Discussed the San Diego County Fire Situation Awareness System relating how good the site is.

Mike Wyzenburg – Ventura County Fire – Discussed promotions and re-assignments within the agency. Related they will be hosting next month’s meeting Topic: Shooting in



Next meetings:

Ventura Co FD – Newberry Park Station 35 – Mass Shooting


SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Meeting adjourned: 1200


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - February 2019 - Newport Beach FD

SAFER Meeting Minutes

February 15, 2019

SAFER Board Attendees: President Quinn ,Past President Gurrola, Seely , Tracy Rabe   

Newport Beach Fire Department – Marina Park Community Center

1600 West Balboa Boulevard, Newport Beach, CA  92663

0940    Meeting called to order – SAFER President Quinn, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, introduced B/C Justin Carr who led the flag salute and a moment of silence for those who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice.

**Thanks to Line-Gear  for morning hospitality.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise – No report at this time. Jim Evans - AB-2146 is working its way through Sacramento. Adapts portions of NFPA 1851 (Cleaning, maintenance, repairs) will be phased in over a few years. (All gear must be NFPA certified equipment will be enforced by CalOSHA). Quinn related the headache CalOSHA investigations

Chief NFPA 1851 2020 Edition – will be issued in August 2019. Some changes to cleaning standard. NFPA 1877 is one to two years out for Wildland PPE.

Cal-OSHA –  Scott Hudson (via email): Nothing to report

Vender Liaison – FH World will be in LA City March 24-28, 2019 at the Downtown Convention Center.  Reno November 6,7 & 8, 2018. FREE pass –Enter AllStar for a free pass to

Safety and Training:


Technology – See Website, Facebook, twitter, LinkedIn

Treasurer – Tony Duran (Via email to board members) Savings and Checking was reported to Board Members (Not posted herein for privacy / security reasons)

Communications – Tracy / Tony: Please “sign-in” to receive emails and be included on meeting minutes. 






SAFER Meeting Program(s):

Wildland Exposure Risks & Valley Fever

Presented by: EMS Chief Kristin Thompson – Newport Beach Fire Dept.

B/C Carr related Chief Thompsons background and related her current responsibilities before introducing her as our program presenter.

Chemical Exposures on the Fireground

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Paul Laker - Workrite – Has new dual compliant PPE,.

Chief Tony Pighitti -  Santa Barbara City

Steve Hanks – SCOTT Safety - New pro airpack out, will comply with new SCBA NFPa

B/C Barry Owens Cal Fire Riverside – Available to assist with other agencies.

Brent Nunez - Torrance Fire – Developing a CA prevention policy. NH3 ongoing today (Tony Duran)

Sabastian – Fillmore Fire :

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore Fire : 3 new paid firefighters added to roster, (6-7 persons a day) Will be hiring- FF-1 & EMT-1 required. Looking for type 3 units

Kelly Whitt - DuPont – Working on Nomex with new liner with less weight. DuPont wants to support FF with

Tracy Rabe – Linegear : Has new catalog of product line.

Gail Mills – Mills Custom Art: Has array of professional poster depicting career highlights and professional gear.

Jeremy Verderber -  (Retired Corona B/C) – Now Merkan Rep – Open to tour facilities at Merkan PPE ISP here in Corona.

Tom Martain – Responded Solutions: Black Diamond, Night Stick, Shelby, Lakeland Fire, Gerber, Nupla products reversible high visibility jackets, many other products related to emergency operations.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry solutions: new FireLink software to allow scanning individual PPE elements for recording keeping.

Scott Estrada FIREETC –San Diego: They stock all fireground equipment and Class A foam inventory. Has Citrosqueeze

Bill Ward – PumpPod USA : giving demonstrations to numerous fire service agencies of their pump training / testing units as well as water source units for refilling helicopters.  (HeloPod) Will be at Cal Chiefs meeting next Thursday to show their units

Next Meeting: Clark County Fire Department in March – Topic Shooting


Chief Gurrola – Fillmore Fire – No isues with equipment

Tony – Santa Ba Fire

Brandon Neilson – Ventura City

Ventura City – Getting three new apparatus, new web-sets fron Line-Gear, Had a CalOSHA heat-illness policy issue.

B/C Carr – Newport Beach, Has begun using “Hot-Shield” product for wildland particulate filtering

Eric Higgins – Bestway Laundry Solutions- Related their new software (FireLink) to scan gear for maintenance of PPE.

Jim Evans – Discussed status of 1851 adoption as a national standard for Selection, Care and Maintenance of firefighter PPE in California.

Hector Garcis Ventura County Fire – is participating in a multi-agency grant for SCBA. Completing study

Jordan Evans – Solutions Safety – Focusing on gross decon methods / procedures.

Swede Rescue Systems – Solo Rescue – Has equipment to decontaminate SCBA components

Hostin in two months

Kelly – Capstone – Will be hosting in April

Newport Beach Fire Depart. –

Kieth Henderberg – NBFD –

Matt – NBFD – First timer

Scott – NPFD – Looking for

Kelly Whitt - DuPont – Related new products avail from Dupont

Rochille - Workrite Uniforms – Is working to fulfill backorders

Pual – WorkRite – Related the sales rep district they are using. Has samples of various PPE / Enseble componemts

Lazaro Martinez – IDEX Fire & Safety  – Has products to support various lines associated with fire apparatus. Rep’s HALE equipment

Russ Snider – OCFA – Has new classes starting Monday, 10 new apparatus

Steve Hanks – 3M Fire Safety – New SCBA standards will be in effect September 2019.

Chief Kristin Thompson – NBFD – A registered nurse, Safety, PPE Committee member. NBFD has a new rehab trailer with equipment for on-scene support needs.

Adrerial Mesa – Torrance FD – New extractor and PPE decon policy. Is at a Wildland Station and works to develop Wildland capabilities.

Chuck Spencer – Air Bandit Filters – Has a line of wildland respiratory protective devices.  

Jeff - AllStar Fire Equipment –

Safety Components – Fabric Mill who supplies materials to SCOTT Airpacks and thermal liners that many manufactures use for Structural PPE and Wildland PPE. Also makes products of the military. CalFire is now using their uniform

Brett – Foxfire Lighting – Will be at

Mike McBride – FoxFire Lighting – Has a light system to support many on-scene needs.

Ed Vella – 3m – Promotes various PPE products for the fire service. N-95 filters

Bill Ward – PumpPod USA – Manufacture of  Helo pod, and pump pod units. Related the various models / uses their units  are used for. Related their recent sales

Davis Molinarti – Related his experience with gas detection / CalOSHA Compliance issues. Related has product lines and the unique capabilities they can offer.

Tracy – LineGear – Located in Orange County – Focus’s on Wildland PPE / Gear.

Kirk Owen – Veridian – Provides gear / support of PPE and related ensemble components

Xxx - Hot Shield – Thanked NBFD for choosing his Hot-Shield product. Related the backround on the development of the Hot-Shield product for Wildland uses.  Offers information.

Jake Sherwin – HeroWipes – Related the performance statistics of their cleaning wipes. Fire wipes / EMS Wipes were discussed.

 ISP - Marken PPE – Related their companies services and

Jerry Marken PPE ISP –

B/C Quinn – Related the “near-miss” report on a recent burn-over of LAFD crew assigned to Mendocino Complex fire. Suggested everybody should read to fully appreciate the value of PPE worn correctly. The report was completed by a US Forestry Staff.


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - January 2019

SAFER 18 January 2019


DICK Weise opened meeting with announcements housekeeping. Snacks in the back. Lunch for $4

Dick led pledge of allegiance.

Scott Quinn welcomed everyone and started business meeting. Welcome to 2019


Treasurer: Five member renewals and one new member last month.  2019 dues are due.  Treasurer keeps record of when you last paid for actual one year or can pay in January to ease bookkeeping

NFPA:  NFPA meeting for wildland apparel next month. Lots of things to be discussed including contamination.  Also looking at fire shelters, need performance criteria and test methods.  New shelters provide a few more seconds of protection.  These improvements require updated wear and maintenance recommendations.  Helmets also to be discussed.  Some departments still wearing non-NFPA compliant helmets.  SB 2146 is trying to address selection for care and maintenance of structural and wildland PPE.  Hoods also being looked at and, finally integration of equipment to lighten the FF load and make more cohesiveness with all equipment for better function

Trying to reduce cancer, addressing respiratory care.

Apparatus:  VCFD reported Apparatus Report – January 2019 re: issue of corrosion in vehicles.  US Federal Highway Administration and NACE (leading authority on education and training on corrosion) estimates the cost of corrosion to be a staggering $276 billion issue.  Fire apparatus are not immune.

                New Apparatus actions: Manufacturers are sifting to alternative coatings and new materials, such as using composites for vehicle bodies and water tanks. Isolating dissimilar metals and galvanizing through engineering and assembly of parts. When specifying new apparatus, ask manufacturers about their use of anticorrosive materials. (Reference: 2018, Fire Apparatus and Emergency Equipment).


OSHA:   Corruption within the organization.  Hiring for vacancies. 

TECHNOLOGY: FIREHOUSE WORLD in LA Convention Center March as close to FDIC on the west coast. Lots of technical people to talk to us.  Exhibits free – passes not yet available but will be.  Get free passes from SAFER vendors when available. Register online before the event.


-          Scott opened a brief roundtable prior to presentation to prevent the problem of members leaving immediately after the presentation and not hearing about the vendor information


Bonita Beeman – MARKEN PPE new location of n Corona DOING WEL

Decontamination wipes of carcinogens HEOR Wipes/Diamond Wipes. Also EMS wipes for EMS issues.

MES – running a TICs promo buy 5 cameras get one free

Wade White – Fleet mgr for LACoFD

Jim Roth – Storm King Mtn Tech – thanks to SAFER for support.  Fire shelters and fire curtains for apparatus

Scott Hudson – Hemet FD retired.  3 years ago tried to contract out fire service but failed, closed some equipment and stations. All cleared up now.

Also, water safety for water district.  Use of drones, class available that talks about benefits and disadvantages of drone use. FBI Infraguard offered class.

Jason Housing = FD, PPE program

Brian Heath, VCFD, DC Gardner accepted promotion, chief spaces available. Looking for new people.  40 person academy coming up.

Shane Miller – Cal fire- riverside. 12 CADEMIES scheduled.  Retention issues.

Kelly Sisson CAPSTONE Fire business development team

David Molinatti – gas detection.  IS able to monitor five different monitors in real time.  Jim Evans asked if they had a meter that can detect off gassing after PPE has been washed.  Different technology for that operation.

Russ Snider, OCFD, academy starting next month 50 people

Gabe Sayegh, Allstar – new boots from HAIX and Thorogood

Steve – Scott new thermal imager 3-4 different models available. Hot & cold spot tracker.  All items available for testing

Steve Cooley – Cobra litter.  Next month may have demos that can be left with departments for testing. Bullet resistant Cobra soft litter tactical version

Amor Express – vendor for ballistic equipment for first responders. New designs have been adapted for use in the field.


Bill Ward- PumpPodUSA – helo-pod new unit 7k dip tank available.

Louie Garcia – VVG – samples of PPE looking for T&E departments to test

Tracy Rabe – Liongear – couple different new boots from WHITES.  One never been seen before.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore FD – VCFD went on grant for research for respiratory protection for wildland.  Offered to several VC departments to test but available shields not the best.  Hoping to force the issue to develop a better mask.  This is what SAFER is all about directing research and development for needed safety equipment.  Rob Szczepanek is setting up a meeting in Las Vegas, about 90% there.  Hopefully in March.   Fillmore locally is looking for ballistic ensembles to improve active shooter response.  Also looking for swift water rescue equipment.

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – met in Australia and NZ meeting 10 departments introducing NFPA 1851 issues.  SAFER known/mentioned in that meeting (our reputation). SS developed a lot of SOPs for gross decon of PPE. Many departments are doing on-scene cleaning

Jordan Evans – SS – continuing to work on SOPs for gross/onscene decon of PPE.  Citrus Squeeze helps increase the degreasing/decon of PPE.  Using detergent helps increase the cleaning of the garmentSC-14 for tools and equipment.

Dick Weise added the questions being discussed of “How clean is clean?” we’re not getting PPE 100% clean, remaining contaminants are affecting the garments and its performance. SCNBAs off-gassing

Jim Cleary – Plymovent vehicle exhaust systems – early on the work was to convince departments to use an exhaust system.  Now an accepted process and many calls to ensure proper maintenance of systems in place.  All of LAFD converted, most of OCFA, working with many departments.

Kelly Witt – Dupont – stop by booth for new items.  Nomex nano thermal liner, Improved abilities and quicker drying.  Dupont working closely with Miliken in early stages fro …

Mark Schroeder – LAFD – IOD injuries. Medical liaison. Over 3.8 milion in medical costs



“Wildfire Mitigation, Safety & Grid Resiliency”

Scott Brown, SCE, Fire Safety Manager in Wildland Fire over 30 years’ experience.

POWERLINE SAFETY VIDEO available for attendees.  Al direct impact of electrical issues for first responders.  Safety handout for all fire apparatus. Available.

All journeyman has the sole authority to such down lines for the safety of the public.


Vendor visits, meeting adjourned at 12:00 as members retreated for lunch served by Camp 2 kitchen staff.


Next meeting: Newport Beach, February 15, 2019