SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - November 2017

NTDP, San Dimas, CA

NTDP, San Dimas, CA

Fuel Geysering.jpg
Wildland Flame Front Simulator

Wildland Flame Front Simulator

Cab Crush - Type 4 Engine

Cab Crush - Type 4 Engine

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Board Members in attendance: Scott Quinn, VP; Joe Sposato, Vendor Liaison; Tony Durán, Treasurer.

Attendance: Adam Bandos, LAFD; Frank Uram, QualaTel; Tracy Rose, LineGear Fire; Tom Foley, Workrite; Kelly Whitt, Workrite; Lazaro Martinez, MES; David Molinatti, ISC; Barry Owens, Cal Fire - Riverside; Steve Hoyle, Cal Fire Museum; Eric Higgins, Bestway Laundry; Aaron Ford, Super Vac; Tom MArtin, Responder Solutions; Joe Sposato, AllStar Fire Equipment; Jack Koltaj, Fed Fire Ventura County; Tony Durán, SAFER Treasurer; Jeff Wiljerson CPEN (Retired); Abel Ramos, Tempest Tech; Alexis Labbe, Tempest Leader; Jim Evans, Solutions Safety' James Golodzinier, LACoFD

The November 17, 2017 meeting was hosted by the National Technology and Development Program, San Dimas, California.  The meeting was opened at 0930 hours by SAFER V.P., Scott Quinn by welcoming everyone in attendance and leading us in the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.  Refreshements were provided by VP Scott Quinn and Tracy Rabe of Line Gear Fire.  He then introduced our hosts and speaker.


The presenter, Robert R. Manwaring, Fire Equipment Specialist with NTDP and a former USFS Firefighter, provided an overview of the center and the projects that the centers in San Dimas and Missoula, Montana focused on through 2017.  The highlights of the program were:

Fuel Geysering - a phenomenon occurring when fuel caps were removed from tools or storage bottles that caused the fuel to suddenly shoot out "geyser" out of the storage compartment.  This event has occurred in several locations throughout the United States and causes fuel to spill out, often causing the operator to be drenched with fuel.  Only one event has been noted in California.  The event occurred in the Sierra Nevadas and it is unknown where the fuel involved in the event was purchased.  It is believed that with all the regulations on California fuel, this may fortuitously prevented the described event from occurring.  It is still not clear why the events occur.  The centers have been testing fuel containers to determine if their design was in some way a factor in this event phenomenon. Check out: for further information and to report events.

 Situational Awareness for ground operations - technology is being developed to its most advantageous ability by allowing the leadership on the fire ground to locate and track various pieces of information in real time.  The objective of the program is to provide a recommendation for situational awareness systems for ground operations.

Vehicle Test using the Wildland Flame Front Simulator - the survivability of vehicles when faced with direct flame impingement was tested.  As a result of similar testing, Australia is replacing all synthetic materials in the interior of its apparatus with natural fibers to increase the survivability inside the cab of an engine.  It has been noted that the glass windows are the universal weak point of the apparatus.

Ignition Potential for Handheld Mechanized Equipment - the experiments attempted to determine under what conditions sparks from equipment may ignite dry brush.  It was interesting to note that even though many sparks may be created, not all contain the heat potential to ignite a material.

Discussion of Vehicle Specifications and Standards - the discussion focused on reducing the cab crush potential during a rollover accident.  The center is working with the apparatus manufacturers to build rated roll cages in cabs.  It has been noted that the rear "fire package" acts as an impromptu roll protection (see photo). Structural polyfoam may be added in the ABC posts and roof structure of the apparatus.  The US is way behind Australia and other European countries' standards.

The centers are looking at water handling equipment.

Pulaskis - the centers noted that this popular hand tool has not changed design since its inception.  Firefighters, however, are taller and have been suffering from bending injuries.  The handles' lengths have been tested from 36" to 48" and it is believed that a 42" handle is optimum for the comfort of the firefighter without compromising the strength of the tool's handle. (Greater lengths than 42" were breaking during use).  A summary of the projects for 2018 was provided.  A tour of the facility followed the presentation.  Everyone in attendance was given a commemorative pin of the facility.


Cal/OSHA: No report

NFPA - Dick Weise had just returned from an NFPA meeting and was unable to attend this meeting.  Tom Martin reported that there will be a task group meeting of NFPA 1851, PPE Care and Maintenance, on January 9, 10 & 11, 2018 in Los Angeles at the Airport Marriot.  Jim Evans offered that there have been rewrites of four chapters.  There are more guidelines specific to building an SOP.  "Gross DECON" and scene mitigation (of PPE contaminated with products of combustion, i.e., potentially cancerous) has suggested that personnel will bag their PPE and store the bags outside of the passenger areas of the appratus, unless the bags are of a filtered type.  Personnel must have a second set of PPE available or be out-of-service until after they are able to obtain a clean set of PPE. California AB2146 is currently going through a financial feasibility study and, if passed, the state will have to fund AB2146.  Barry Owens, Cal Fire, Riverside provided a brief overview of a Cal/OSHA violation they received regarding this issue.

Apparatus: No report

Vendor Liaison - Firehouse World will be moving its venue as San Diego is too far and difficult to reach due to the traffic.  Most vendors do not remain overnight.  The new venue has not been decided at the time of this meeting.

Treasurer report - $XXX - checking, $XXX - savings.  As the year ends, everyone is now due for 2018.  

Alexis Labbe, Tempest Leader informed the group of the Fresno Training Officers Conference.

There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 1200 hours.  

December meeting: December 15, 2017 at Santa Fe Springs Fire Department, check the website for details.

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - October 20, 2017 - San Diego Fire & Rescue


SAFER Meeting Minutes

October 20, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:    President Gurrola , VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely

San Diego Fire & Rescue Training Center

0945    Meeting called to order – President Gurrola welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to San Diego Fire – Rescue Department for use of the facility, to AllStar Fire Equipment for the morning hospitality and Scott of FIRE ETC for lunch.  

Chief Gurrola Introduced Assistant Chief Weber who welcomed SAFER and related his appreciation for the group.

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick Weise absent today, Kirk and Jim added the 1851 Standard is in final phase of rewrite – “Public Comment period” till Oct 15th, committee to meet in LA to consider the comments before finalizing the standard.

Question: status of CalOSHA accepting the 1851 Standard as “California Law”. It was stated that it is still under consideration by CalOSHA.

Workplace violence reporting standard being worked on by LAFD et al. 

Apparatus – Pres Gurrola discussed the values of sharing information between various departments nationwide after issues being

Safety and Training:

Program: “Firefighter Behavioral Health and Suicide Awareness / Prevention”

Presenter: Jeff Dill, founder of the Firefighter Behavioral Health Alliance (FBHA)

 via teleconference from Firehouse Expo.

MS Degree, Retired Fire Captain Cell (847) 209-8208

On site facilitator/program coordinator: David Picone – Battalion Chief – Health and Safety Officer

San Diego Fire – Rescue Department

1010 Second Avenue, Suite 400 MS 604

dpicone@sandiego-gov, (619) 533-4466

SD Fire –Rescue began its Health and Safety Officer Position about three years ago. EMS Division now focused on citizens being served, the Health and Safety program is aimed at the fire service personnel. There is staff assigned for Cancer Awareness / Prevention and Behavioral Health. (760) 845-6243. Related a three phase approach (1) Behavioral Change: Posters (Clean Gear, Clean Air, and Clean Body) (2) Policy Changes: Establishing operational standards for safety and wellness in daily operations and associated lifestyles. (3) Facilities upgraders such as extractors and multi sets of PPE Commitment: A sticker on helmet after committing to the programs any observed violation of “Best Practices” from the program.

Fire Department Chaplin: Has been involved with fire service in San Diego and nationally. Chaplin is a Member of “Peer Support Team” with the “firefighter’s benevolent association”. Many of “San Diego Fire & Rescue Departments” “firefighter’s benevolent association” programs were described that contribute to FF wellness needs. Contracts were developed with select mental professional services to provide needed assistance to Fire-Rescue family (includes lifeguards, fire, ems).

Notes from Jeff Dill’s presentation:

Jeff related the problem of FF Suicide and the most common causes that contribute to it:

  • Marital, Family problems

  • Depression

  • Addictions

  • Medical and Health Issuers

  • PTSD

  • Financial

  • Legal Issues

San Diego Fire-Rescue – BHP:

  1. “Cultural Brainwashing” – Fire Service Inexperience

  2. 12 Steps in creating a successful Behavioral Health Program.

  3. Joint Effort – I will be a constant working alongside Capt.  Cerruto who oversees the SD program

  4. “Commend the Call” – when a call for help is received. (from employee or a co-worker / supervisor)

  5. Education will be determined based on feedback and trends and shared to us by the providers

Issues to be addressed in San Diego - BHP:

  1. Education = all members within fire-rescue Division (FF’s, Lifegaurds, Pilots, Dispatch and civilians)

  2. Resources – “Official providers” FOCUS Psy Services, Chaplin’s, Fire Fam Services (SDFRA), EAP, Private Med Insurance, PERR support group and vetted long-term facilities

  3. Family Members

  4. New Recruits

  5. Retirement -0 Current and future retirees.

  6. Policies and Guideline’s –

Data / statistics related to FF Suicide was presented (138 in 2015)

No observed differences between paid / Volunteer/ male / female / city / rural data.

Suicide by Firearms 4x other methods – statistics presented

Retiree’s vs. active employees – (36 within 1 week of resignation)

Q: Size-up: Why am I using these substances, why do have these feelings. We have to self-assess:

Warning signs:

  1. Anger

  2. Reckless Behavior

  3. Isolation

  4. Lack of personal self-confidence – job competence

  5. Sleep depravation


  1. Loss of sense of humor


  • If you look back to incidents in your career that you remember in absolute details of the incident you have some level of PTSD. A website from Phoenix FD with resources for direct access regarding Behavioral Health needs.

Sleep disorders program (from Harvard) is available for around $40,000 / agency. They send a “Train the Trainer” team out to teach your agency about sleep disorders. Those who’ve used the service highly recommend the program. Contact Kurtis with SD Fire-Rescue.

Discussion on the current state of affairs regarding mental health / suicide issues in the fire service. Recent experiences with various departments who’ve experienced suicide in their agency(s).

Additional information from local SD Fire – Rescue resources was provided: FOCUS Psychologist, Chaplin.



Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton (Retired) -Great job SDF-R on the wellness issue

Jim Marugg - San Miguel Fire & Rescue Dept. – Related the green sheet report on an incident where a FF was contaminated with human waste at a homeless encampment. Related the particulars of his injury from a chemical burn / reaction to chemical contaminates. Policy changes include (1) No overhaul at night, (2) had to toss about $1,000 in PPE plus hose due to contamination. (3) All homeless encampments are considered a HazMat location.

Steve Hoyle – OCFA (Retired) – CA Fire museum

Adam Brandos LAFD – Attending for first time

Scott Quinn BC LAFD – “National” Mayday report is out, FF Memorial Ceremony held last week

Sebastion – Fillmore NTR

North Co FD and Peer Councilors being used for several local agencies

Ventura – Running Academies, many resources are out.

Michelle Trout – Lion –Related lots of new products for PPE / Uniform needs.

John Fisher SD Fire and Rescue – Wildland Committee – Finishing a PPE Survey for 1977 gear.

David Bogg – Psychological “ FOCUS” program.

BullEx – Live and Visual displays.

Henry SD City – NTA

Frank Uram - Qualtel – Liked the topic, related the experience in today’s military.

MES – Covers SD County. Has new dual compliant work pant available.

David Molinatti  – Industrial Scientific -  Related new equip and services available to first responders.

Mario Marion – Streamlight , related new products avail

Scott Estrada – FIRE ETC. – Related they supply SD F-R, SoCal FPE – cleans PPE to meet 1851 standard

Emily Stubbs - Solutions Safety – Business development for Solutions Safety

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Long way since 19XX in the development of PPE selection, care and maintenance

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Related an attempted suicide event within his department.

Tracy Rabe – Linegear Fire & Rescue Equipment – Related equipment and support services available through Linegear.  

Kirk Owen – Veridian -  Liked the presentation, topic today. Thanked the presenter.

Larry Asst. Fire Marshall SD F-R – Related the importance of these types of employee support systems / programs.

Tom Martin – Has shelty gloves that meet the new NFPA standards. (Note new email address)

Rob Hoadley – Cardiac Science – First Meeting with SAFER, Vender of fully automatic AED’s and EMS AED’s

Ed Shabaro – LN Curtis – Related equipment / PPE currently available through Curtis.

Bill Ward – Pump Pod USA – Related the use of the “Pump Pod” that allows Fire departments to train, test and certify fire pumps while saving large volumes of water.

Abe – AllStar Fire Equipment – Related the PPE available through AllStar. Fire Show Reno – first week of November.

John Picone BC SD F-R –Related the topic today as being timely and needed.

Mark Sheldone – Days off Consultants – related the products they manufacture / rep.

Brett Days off Consultants – Reps Red Back Shoes and wildland foot wear

Jeff Storey – Plymovent rep. Related the importance of exhaust removal and the history with San Diego Fire with Plymovent. They were the first they were able to design and build a system for

Steve Cooley – Cobra Litter – Introduced the completed version of the Cobra Rescue Litter. Related the many uses of the system, the quality and versatility of the product for fire, ems, major event support where transportation of victim’s / support equipment / fire hose / SWAT – Law.

Mike Schlags – Cobra Litter – Added the potential uses of the Cobra Litter in incidents like the Las Vegas massacre / mass casualty incidents. 

Keith Gurrola Fillmore Fire Chief (Retired Ventura County) – Related the importance of today’s topic and the myriad of employee assistance programs.

NEXT MEETING SanDimiss – US Forest Service

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Meeting adjourned: 1200

Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             


Agency / Co





Downey Fire (Retired)

Chuck Seely

(949) 492-7993


c alifornia fire muaseum

steve hoyle



Redback/Cosmas Footwear


619 203-6541


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.

Jeff Wilkerson



Quala-Tel Communications

Frank Uram




Daniel Vaccaro




Michelle Trout




Steve Hanks




David Picone




Bill Ward


Aair Purification/Plymovent

Jeff Storey



Days Off Consultants/NightStick Lighting

Mark Sheldone



AllStar Fire Equipment

Gabe Sayegh



Fillmore Fire

Keith Gurrola



Western States Fire Equipment

Louie Garcia



Safety Components

Bill Black



Responder Solutions

Tom Martin



Solutions Safety Products

Jim Evans



Solutions Safety Products

Emily Stubs


San Miguel Fire & Rescue

Jim Marugg



San Diego Fire-Rescue

John Fisher




Adam Brandos


LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment

Tracy Rabe




Melissa Magee



Cardiac Science

Rob Hoadley




Kirk Owen



Cobra Litters LLC

Mike Schlags



Industrial Scinetific

David Molinatti




Robert Szczepanek




Shannon Black



Mario Payan

(818) 731-2510


MES (Muni Emerg Services)

Bill Zamudio

(858) 715-4639



Chase Powell

(619) 309-2240



SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - August 2017 - OCFA


SAFER Meeting Minutes

August 18, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:    President Gurrola , VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely

Orange County Fire Authority Headquarters

0930    Meeting called to order – President Gurrola welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to ORCO Fire Authority for use of the facility and to Michelle Trout with LIONfor the morning hospitality.   

Russ Snyder Introduced A/C Dave Anderson who welcomed SAFER and related his appreciation for the group’s contribution to FF safety and health. He related the importance of today’s topic (Cancer) and how his agency has been impacted by this health problem. He added the agency just pushed out a new policy to mandate SCBA use from beginning to end at every fire. He related the “clean gear, clean air, clean body” initiative.

A/C Chief Brian Young added his appreciation for the coordination to SAFER and the venders aligned with the safety and health of today’s fire service. 

Committee Reports:

NFPA – Dick sent an email with his report – delivered by Scott Quinn:

1977 Standard is in public input, several issues related to “how clean is clean” to try to set a standard for cleaning.

1851 is being revised to incorporate changes that have been proposed from its public comment period.

1971 Soon to be released in the 4th quarter to incorporate changes to those parts of the PPE ensemble.  

Pres. Gurrola related he attended a PPE meeting that included a major change in PPE for ARFF personnel for “most” airports. The “silver” suits are being phased out to favor of 1971 PPE. The exception is for major airports like LAX etc. and military installations.

Moving website to Tracy Rabe, our new website manager to speed up and improve postings.

Safety and Training:

Pres related there are several shows coming up. ARFF , Cancer symposium in Phoenix is coming in September.

Wants to team up with TO’s to post various training opportunities.  

Russ introduced Jonathan Wilby - OCFA Risk Manager, who will deliver today’s program:

Program: “An Organizational Look at Cancer Awareness and Prevention”

Jonathan related his position as OCFA Risk Manager and explained his role as an advocate for agency health and safety. He related the cooperation of management and labor in the health and safety mission. He related the OCFA’s Cancer experience over the past five years.

(Insert PowerPoint here)

Changes Implemented to date:

  • Sunscreen products at every station

  • Second set of PPE

  • Structural PPE selection, care, and maintenance to meet NFPA 1851 standards

  • Rescue wipes used during post fire decontamination

  • Respiratory protection program procedure

  • SCBA use throughout suppression / overhaul

  • PAPR use throughout investigations (Cache kept on Truck Companies)

Mentioned San Diego Cities program as a model program

Changes in Process:

  • Educational component (cultural change)

  • Standardized signage restricting turnouts from living and sleeping areas

  • Post fire asbestos sampling and testing procedures

  • Ice machine contaminate assessment

  • Washer / extractors located in each battalion


Related asbestos contamination problem: PPE came back from their ISP with detectable levels of asbestos. They use LION Total Care ISP in Texas who has a proprietary process to clean PPE with asbestos. The department is using an industrial hygienist to verify test results to drive policy decisions.

Five Gas Monitors:

  1. CO

  2. VOC (look for zero VOC)

  3. O2

  4. Lower Expl limits

  5. Upper Expl limits

B/C Scott Quinn answered what LAFD is doing regarding asbestos and related all the difficulties in establishing policy for agency wide use. Related you almost need to build a flow chart to follow based on specific contaminates.

Chief Gurrola related Ventura County relies on the station extractors for cleaning contaminated gear.

Discussion on placement / appropriateness of Station Extractors vrs centralized service center based cleaning strategies.

Question: (Wilkerson) How does OCFA handle brush gear (1877 gear)?. (Russ) They currently don’t see many brush sets coming through the service center. Related some guys wash their 1977 gear in stations or even at home. Attendees related there will be cleaning requirements included in the new 1977 standard.

Jonathan related Historically the “first-in company” stayed throughout he suppression – overhaul – investigation phases. “First in – First out” to return to quarters for showers and equipment decontamination efforts is a possible policy change towards firefighter health.

Jonathan demonstrated the various promotional materials the OCFA is using in support of these program changes: stickers, posters and a video. The in-house produced video was viewed and very well received by all.

Question (Russ) Are any agencies doing an exchange program for hoods? Fresno – the B/C’s have a bag of new hoods that they distribute “on-scene” and collect  contaminated units for decontamination . LAFD relate if you need a new hood you’ll get a new hood.

Pres. Gurrola related were hoping to develop a “blog” capability to continue and expand discussions on various subjects (like FF CA) within the website.

John Price related the IAFF programs being instituted to enhance the awareness and practices designed to reduce carcinogens. He related the Firefighters Cancer Support Network efforts to reach-out to Cancer Victims for support and to all fire service personnel for education and training.

Jim Plymovent related there are numerous Attorneys representing Firefighters in exposure cases. Discussed exhaust gas removal systems and their respective differences.


Chief Gurrola – Fillmore FD -  Encourages members to report accidents / injuries to promote discussion and exchange of potential solutions.

Jeff Wilkerson - Camp Pendleton (Retired) – Reports Camp has been having fires. Ca Fire Museum is meeting with Irvine to request location

Russ Snyder OCFA – Thanks for attending, related the video was excellent and related the organization is starting a 52 man academy in Sept, another 50 thereafter, got numererous new apparatus. Related the trucks are overweight – working with committees to resolve. Second of 3 phases of “second set” PPE’s is nearing completion

Fillmorer Fire Sebaastion

Eric Higgins - Bestway Laundry – Related new hand scanner for use on extractors will be rolled out next week

B/C Scott Quinn - LAFD – Regional Safety Team is doing investigation of Kelly Wong LODD. LAFD is doing FRO training – Opioid problem is becoming a real problem – First Responders are having problems getting enough Narcan to service all the fentanyl OD’s. Additionally, personnel exposed to very small quantities of fentanyl can cause risks to their health.

Steve Hanks - Scott Safety – Reps West Coast and Hawaii – Scott has 2018 NFPA Packs are ready to ship waiting for official certification from NFPA.

Steve Harris – Plymovent

JP – Nothing to add

Louie Garcia - Western States Fire Equip – Showed new structure glove and related DPF is still an issue . Cops West is having a show in October 31-Nov 1 & 2  Palm Springs.

Kelly Witt - Workrite – Corporate was talking to fabric supplier of “Nomex” discussing the characteristics of the fabric as it relates to cleaning and performance in multi-certifications.

Sean Van Sluis - Santa Monica Fire – Enjoyed presentation, just took over the PPE role, is a member of their safety committee. Is organizing their PPE to lean towards “second set” program and will be going “single layer” for brush gear (1977). Gurrola: Should we be wearing our 1971 gear to T/C’s and risk absorption of petro-chem’s? Maybe come up with a “better Option” for simple T/C responses.

Tracy Rabe - LineGear Fire and Rescue Equipment – Been with them for 7 years, now have a catalog with gear they sell.

Tracy Is now managing our website to improve attendance and expand content and interaction. The enhancements should help both FD’s as well as member venders.

Chad Dicksins - Atwood-Prior – Reps Pelican Products

Tom Martin - Atwood-Prior – Discussed Level A, B, C PPE, has a number of products.

X Discussed the dual /Tri certification for “cover pant” as it affects our Cancer risk.

Steve Hoyle – Ca Fire Museum & Safety Learning Center – ORCO (Retired)  – Related the 1851 Standard was a direct off-shoot of the work SAFER produced. There have been updates since the original proposed standard. Museum organizers will be meeting with City of Irvine to discuss a location for the museum in the great park.

Melissa McGee / Doug Murphy – SoCal PPE - ISP “Intratech Certified” has pick-up and delivery service. They are located in San Diego near Coronado. She related the procedure to send contaminated PPE in for cleaning. 

Frank Uram - Qualatel Communications – Related the” ear pieces” on headsets / microphones get contaminated and should be replaced as some reasonable period. He relates he designs and installs radios and intercom systems in emergency vehicles.

Kirk Owens –  Veridian Fire Protective Gear (Retired Fire Chief & NFPA Committee Chair) – Related he is available to help support the group in technical matters. Discussed the asbestos issue and related the traditional approach was to dispose of anything exposed to asbestos, was interested in the cleaning procedure being used by OCFA. Related they will be releasing a hood with “Particulate Blocking” capabilities. Waiting for the updated 1971 standard. Several problems: Dual Certified, Tri-Certified – Vapor Protection feature costs you breathability and removes it from wildland certification. Related many of the Venders can provide training for agency decontamination techniques.

Robinson – Pelican Products – Relates they support many products for Fire Service. They have numerous lighting devices and power supplies for FD Use. Manufacture of numerous types of protective cases.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore FD – Related the Fillmore FD budget has been set, their fire foundation golf tour was a success. He needs to purchase gear for 18 new recruits. Received a FEMA Safety Grant – will have three new paid Firefighter positions.

 They had a FF take his PPE in for alteration without authorization – he considers the incident a “near –miss” for his dept

** FF Memorial will be September 30th in Sacramento..

Los Osos Symposium on PPE (Vender Driven Event) was a good event with relavent information for the end users.

Santa Paula FD is merging with Ventura Co. FD. Much SPFD gear will be excess and will be available. They also have a Light / Air Trailer that will be available.

NEXT MEETING September 15th – Location and topic to be announced

San Diego – Behavioral Health – October


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Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             


Agency / Co                              NAME                               PHONE #                                  EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)       Chuck Seely               (949) 492-7993         

Air Exchange PLYMOVENT   Steve Harris           909-973-8211      

Air Exchange PLYMOVENT     Jim Cleary          909-720-7064       

OCFA                                        Russ Snider                 714-573-6601           

Camp Pendleton(Retired)    Jeff Wilkerson         949-445-9512         

Qualatel                                   Frank Uram                 858-577-2900      

Ca fire museum & safety learning center   stevehoyle949-496-5688

Santa Monica Fire        Sean Van Sluis             949-702-3473       

OCFA                                 Jonathan Wilby         714-573-6832             

Scott Safety                   Steve Hanks                858-226-7420                

  SOCAL PPE    DOUG MURPHY/melissa MAGEE   619-993-1163    


Atwood-Prior          Tom Martin            909-264-4875                   

LION                              Michelle Trout                     480-225-1324        

LineGear Fire & Rescue Equipment      Tracy Rabe    949-230-5610        

Veridian Fire Protective Gear    Kirk Owen       712-260-3547              

MES                              Lazaro Martinez               562-320-2385             

MES                                    John Price                     562-212-6803                  

Bestway Laundry Solutions          Eric Higgins951-532-7700              

CURTIS Tools For Heros            Ed Shabro          760-250-1180              

fillmore fire poi         sebastian ramirez             805-2975214    sebastian

Fillmore Fire Dept      Keith Gurrola         805-558-0932                

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - July 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

July 21, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Past President Duran, VP Quinn,  Wilkerson,  Seely, Quinn, Vender Liaison Sposato

AllStar Fire Equipment

0940    Meeting called to order - Past President Tony Duran welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to AllStar Fire Equipment Company for use of the facility and  to Lion apparel and SCOTT Breathing Apparatus for the morning / lunch hospitality.   

Tony introduced B/C Scott Quinn LAFD, who will deliver today’s program:

Program: “Drive to Survive”

Related his experiences as Safety Officer and Litigation Officer. Related the program scheduled for last month (Behavioral Health) is very relevant to present day FD’s and will be rescheduled in the future.

B/C Quinn related LAFD practices (pre-trip, licencing and operators role / responsibilities) documentation. The issue of length of operation , relief policy, drivers health and distractions while driving are frequesnt issues brought up in court cases.

A PowerPoint presentation was shown that demonstrated the myriad of characteristics that make up safe driver / operator practices.

Regional Training Authority: LAFD is doing EVOC training (Computer simulation and hands on handling) may be available to RTA members.

Typical Accident litigation takes about three years and is a nightmare for all involved.

All new apparatus are equipped with a “Black Box” that collects data on the vehicles operation.

(Insert PowerPoint Here)

Orange County Fire Authority will host the August SAFER Meeting. The topic will be “An Organizational Look at Cancer- Awareness and Prevention” presented by OCFA / Risk Manager Jonathan Wilby.

Joe: working on getting improved access to website to post meeting notifications earlier

Committee Reports:

Scott Hudson – OSHA Updates: Hemet FD Retired. New standard for silica sand exposure adopted by FED OSHA, CalOSHA to (TWA is based on 4 hour window of exposure). Emergency Ops allows for 24 hour period for RESCUE. Need Training, Policies and practices in place. Will be released for enforcement later this year.

New standards for Storage batteries (for backup systems) has a requirement for training and operational policies. 

Indoor heat illness standard being developed by CalOSHA for implementation next year.

New “phone” notification standard for CalOSHA is being planned to clarify employers requirement(s) for timely notification of industrial accidents.

Heat-Illness injury minimum fine is $17,000.

Workplace violence reporting requirement is “in effect” but not widely known by employers.

Employee Evacuation Plan – One for each “risk” identified, standard being developed

New standards for chop saws, protective shrouds / guards is being developed for industrial applications.

SRIA- Independent review of proposed standards (SB 617).

Nat Safety Council rates CA a “C” on workplace safety.

NIOSH has a heat illness app for download.

CalOSHA Increasing penalies: Minor $7,000 to $10,000, serious increases to XXXX, resulting from Fed OSHA stating that CalOSHA is too linient.

Gender Toilets: State legislation required an amount of toilets available for the workplace

Zika carrying mosquitos have been identified in 11 Counties in CA.

New forklift standards for “non-lift” positioning.

Capt. Jordan relates it’s important for a liaison to accompany employees to hospital in insure medical staff doesn’t label illness as “heat illness / injury” instead of “heat exhaustion”.

Tony related if CalOSHA conducts an investigation for a specific issue they have heads on swivel as they conduct the inspection – EVERYTHING is under scrutiny.


Rosenbauer is conducting  “electric apparatus” testing.

Vender Liaison:

Thanks to the venders for attending and contributing to the SAFER Organization.


Tony – Looking to improve web site, timely meeting notifications and enhanced content are several themes to be addressed.

Treasures Report: Tony for

$467.86 / $1,114.88 Checking

Expenses for NFPA membership and Dick Weise travel.


SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.


John Henderson Torrance

Jeff Wilkerson Camp Penaton Fire , All apparatus have cameras front, rear and inside to document apparatus operation , related seat belt enforcement and policy enforcement.

Steve Hoyle – ORCO retired, California Fire Museum.

Capt.Langer Vernon – Recently appointed as New Apparatus and Equipment Officer.

Curt Johnson – Tempest and Leader are now one company after a recent acquisition / merger.

John Price LACoFD Retired – Now MES representation, related “Attitude and Accelerator”

Jordan LACoFD –

Scott McLaren CalFIRE Riverside – Has finalized driving policy to meet modern traffic needs, added a second engine to T/C’s. CalFire Riverside has developed a check-list for traffic investigations. Agency has updated its EMS dispatching protocol’s (EMD). CalFire Riverside will be implementing a similar triage program for “Fire” responses in the future. Using code 2 response’s when appropriate to limit / reduce code 3 accidents.

Scott – Fillmore fire.

Chris Murdock – LACoFD Retired, Rio Hondo Fire Academy – Reminds that there is liability issues that can effct

Lim Clearly – Plymovent – Related he learns something at every SAFER meeting he attends. Company is doing a lot of conversions of older systems to newer product

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry systems – Has installed 10 systems this month.

Bill Ward – Pinical Bod – Has an order from Long Beach FD for a new upgraded POD unit that will accommodate aerial and nozzle testing needs. Water districts are interested in using their tanks (PODS) to save water when using testing

Louie Garcia Western States – Has new glove arriving, Ford Explorer’s have been identified as having a CO problem – Officers found with CO illness nationally. Found to be largely associated with modifications for Public Safety users.

Jack Koltaj - Ventura County – Crew reductions are occurring, island stations use JP5 for fuel

Russ Snider ORCO – Just graduated 24 “lateral” class, new engines,”quints” (some found to be overweight)

Tom Martin – Multi-line Manufactures Rep – Related some new HazMat app to better identify the proper PPE configuration for specific chemicals. Has new” Action Wipes”,  not a repackaging of baby wipes.  This wipe is specifically designed for active adults started in the outdoor sporting market. These wipes are designed to be used by persons “on line” for multiple days. Related they are showing a small washer for ppe. Kappler, wide range of chemical protective ppe:  The frontline 500 level A suit has a new larger non fog visor to increase visibility. A smart device app is available to generate risk assessment reports “ HazMatch”.  Turnout gear chem response overshot protects turnout gear from chemical contamination. Checkers ground level safety has hose ramps, electrical cabling ramps, wheel chocks speed bumps - Poly cribbing. Has Groves and single unit extractor 20 lbs. For turnout gear, hoods, woodland gear and are great for smaller departments and remote stations. 

Scott Hudson – Hemet Retired – City has passed a 1% tax to fund Police / Fire in the city. Has new B/C’s (1 from Grand Junction CO. ) Related the concept that code 3 driving is dangerous if you make it dangerous, but some accidents are simply unavoidable.

Davis Mul – Industrial Scientific – Related the CalOSHA “compliance” issues after an incident. He relates his job is to make sure the equipment is operating properly and to train the end user in it

Gevork Kazanchyan - LACo Risk Management – Working to implement the Workplace Violence Reporting standard. Working to define “work Place” definition (in the ambulance, in the facility etc.) and how they can comply “globally”.

Frank Orum – QualTel Communications – Discussed the various communications systems he installs / services: Headsets, wireless intercom and radio systems. 

Tony Duran LACoFD Retired – NH3 Training Institute – Teaches Industry and First Responders how to work with Anhydrous ammonia. He is planning dates for training Anaheim and Downey Fire Departments. Tony can facilitate training programs for NH3 operational training needs.

Scott Quinn – LAFD B/C – Budget approved for agency. Crews are working tons of OT, will be hiring more in the future. Related their recent LODD (Kelly Wong) and how the incident has impacted their operations. Department is cooperating with CalOSHA in the investigation to improve future firefighter safety.

Joe Sposado – AllStar – Related recent 4th place finish of the AllStar Porche in Utah. He related recent observations of people “texting” (leaving space – driving slow so as to text), (cars that drift the correct) these are people that are texting while driving. AllStar has won the contract with CalFire to supply them with SCOTT SCBA’s. They are switching from MSA SCBA’s. Particulate Hood for FF’s is now available that GORE Developed. Has particulate protection (99% effective) that is not vapor barrier. (see GORE online).Joe recommends writing your name on the front of the hood to insure proper donning pro-8cedures.


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)             

Agency / Co        NAME            PHONE #       EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)   Chuck Seely(949) 492-7993

c alifornia fire museumsteve hoyle    9494965688


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.  Jeff Wilkerson 949-830-087

Quala-Tel Communications Frank Uram858-577-2900

ASTI   Tony Duran   626-590-2991

Hemet Fire Dept. Ret.  Scott Hudson951-694-2591

VERNON Fire   Mike Langer    951-775-2058

Torrance Fire   Jon Henderson   310-977-5619

Western States Fire EqupLouie Garcia213-272-5680

Leader Emergency VehiclesGeoff Maze626-377-2931

MESJohn Price   562-212-68703

Atwood-Prior Inc    Tom Martin   909-264-4875

Safety ComponentsBill Black858-243-4371

LA County Fire RetiredChris Marangakis562-553-2619

Tempest / Leader   Curt Johnson   559269-7773

LA County CEO Risk ManagementGevork Kazanchyan 213.351.6408

Fed Fire Ventura CountyJack Koltaj805-989-7043

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - April 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

April 21, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Gurrola, Vice Pres Weise, Quinn, Seely, Wilkerson

Santa Monica Fire Department

Santa Monica Library

0950:   Meeting called to order - President Gurrola, Fillmore Fire Chief, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to the City of Santa Monica for use of the facility and AllStar Fire Equipment for morning bagels and coffee.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Business Meeting:

Finance: No report at meeting, a detailed report was submitted to board via email from Past Pres Duran.


OSHA: ”Violence against first responders” reporting– Agencies must maintain a Log / Journal , (similar to a “300 Log”) beginning April 1st, 2017 of incidents involving:  (1) Member on Member, (2)Violence on  first responder from public, (3) Dog Bites.  April 2018: All members must be trained. LAFD has started a log to begin implementation.

Acceptance of NFPA standards by CalOSHA is pending “cost analysis “review by legislature as it will place burden on local government agencies. (Un-funded Mandate)

NFPA: Dick Weise – SAFER rep to 1977, (1877 Document is a SCAM doc for wildland): Committee is looking at Dozer Operator gloves, FR boot laces, “vented helmets”. Dual compliant Station-Wildland pants are out to bid for LACoFD. All helmet liners/support elements must be easily removable for proper decontamination. IAFF is pushing a Cancer Prevention program. 1971 (Structure and Proximity) updates to include systems to protect from particulates through “Hood” elements and THL standard.

“Healthy In – Healthy Out” programs are being implemented throughout the fire service.

FIRESCOPE: Chief Reyes - LAFD: Discussed the “flagging tape” colors and their meanings and the efforts underway to standardize its uses. Smoke/inhalation issues are being looked at and the desire to NOT cover other standard developers. Recommends attending “Safety Officers Conference” (3-Days), receive updates from experts and agency representatives from CalFire, aviation ops, Incident Management – Leadership. 

FDIC next week in Indianapolis.  Document # 215A updated and on website.

Apparatus: No report. One attendee related they’d experienced some LDH (4”) delaminate.

Technology: No report

Venders: FDIC Next week in Indianapolis.

“Foresters and Fire Wardens”: Pilgrim Pines (Oak Glen) May 4 &5th, 2017


  • Program: Fire Service working at Tactical Law Enforcement Incidents

Presenter: B/C Don Reyes – LAFD – Homeland Security Division & FIRESCOPE

Reference FIRESCOPE ICS 701 Document, Revised June 23, 2015 or newer

  • History : (Columbine Incident was impetus – Immediate Action Tactics developed)

  • Pre Incident Considerations

  • Initial Actions Tactical Considerations

  • Staging

  • Tactical Context

  • Working with Law/SWAT

  • Nomenclature

  • The Bid One

What is a Tactical Law Enforcement Incident?

  1. Active Shooter, Hostage Taker, Barricaded Suspect

  2. Suspect with explosives

  3. Perimeter Search

  4. MACTAC / Combat Coordinated Attack

  5. ICS 701

TEMS: Tactical Emergency Medical Support:

Section redacted

Pre-Incident Considerations:

  • Pre-Incident Relationships

  • Training:

  • FRO

  • Active Shooter


  • PPE and Equipment

  • Adapting other SOG’s

  • Other Agency needs (Public Schools, airport other “stake-holders”)

  • Public Information and Incident Messaging (Social Media)


  • Blue Force Tracking being developed for public safety

Initial Actions:

  • Confirm Incident Type

  • Co-locate with LAW OIC/IC

  • Establish Unified Command:

  • ID Hot/Warm/ Cold Zones

  • Create RTF’s

  • Request Additional Resources

  • Create Notification Area with Dispatch (to control access to incident area)

  • Communication Plan

  • Inter-Agency Communication

  • Rescue Group Supervisor

  • Med Communications

  • Med Group Supervisor

  • Fire Group

Tactical Considerations:

Section redacted


 Section redacted

Tactical Context:

Risk Assessment:

  • ID HOT/WARM/COLD zones

  • Viable Victims

  • What Can we Accomplish?


  • Primary Plan

  • Alternate Plan

  • Contingency Plan

  • Emergency Plan


Does each agency have same criteria?

Comm Plan

Interagency Communications


Working with Law/SWAT:

  • The Officer in Charge

  • Mutual Support

  • Unified Command

  • Briefing(s)

  • Medical Plan & CCP (Casualty Collection Point)

  • Force Protection

  • Fire Plan


  • Discussion on ISIS publications and the JRIC info products being distributed to Law/Fire Agencies. Push Publications are developed for reasons, not just on a time-table.  

( LAFD) Working withLAW/SWAT/TEMS:

Section redacted


Section redacted


MACTAC Considerations:

  • Tactical Areas (Notification Areas)

  • Incident Facilities Locations

  • Maximum Commitment

  • California Mutual Aid

  • Federal Assets


Meeting recessed to Vender Time at 1125

Meeting reconvened at 1145 for roundtable


Dick Weise – Predicts active fire season, drills coming up. KME Quints coming soon. Replacing many “plastic interior parts” from rigs to reduce off gassing

Weisenburg – Ventura County Fire – Class of recruits going through, need medics, 5 Rosenbowers Type 1’s, 1 Quint ordered. Next Month BBQ at SAFER meeting. Two years till next retirement

Crystal – Fillmore / Ventura Federal FF’s – Hiring six

Scott Quinn – LAFD B/C – Castro Retired last week, slowing drill towers to two per year. Has had 4” LDH separating.  LAFD had a large fire on the Vernon border in a food processing plant.

Had a kid making pipe bombs in a neighborhood. Was injured.

 LAFD responded to Murrieta Georgia FF’s accident that was fatal. The guy had just toured the fire station that responded to the incident. LAFD provided “honor guard” to the coroner, then the funeral home and finally to the airport. Provided family support to the friends / family from Georgia.

Kirk Owen – Veridian PPE – Will be at FDIC next week introducing a new generation FF Glove.

Jack K Ventura Federal FF – Looking for Chief to

Don Reyes – LAFD –

Jeff Wilkerson May 10th, Camp Pendelton Dozer School May 1, 2017, CalFIRE. 1st Week in June – Fire School.

Steve Hoyle – ORCO (Retired) – Fire Museum – Related the loss of agency history, experience

Bill Ward – Pump recovery system – Saves water while allowing real world training opportunities.

Tracy Rabe - Fire Rescue Equipment – Rep’s footwear and workrite uniforms.

Rick Holman – AllStar Fire Equipment – Will be at FDIC. Scott bought by 3-M

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment - :LaHabra Heights looking at Rosenbouer Type 1 and 3 appratus. Has a new glove to show at FDIC.

Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior , Inc. - Factory Rep’s for Pelican, others. Has Sun Block, Insect repellant, mounting brackets. Showed a new foam cartridge nozzle.

Jim Cleary – Plymovent – ORCO 61 burned, 61 on a call when they responded to their station for a reported structure fire. Contract just signed to have it rebuilt.

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry- Related he’d have a “Scanning Program” to track PPE laundering for 1851 compliance.

John Price – LACoFD (Retired) – MES PPE Expert

Rob Span Ventura County Fire –

Frank QualTel – Showed the wireless headset / transmitter to interface with rig radio and intercom. 

Lazaro Martinez – MES – PPE, equipment for Law and Fire Services. Has InfraRed cameras and Scope for USA

Davis A – Industrial Scientific – Related the company and the industry they service. Gas detection equipment and chemical monitoring.

Keith Gurrola – Fillmore FD – Will be hiring FF’s after current group is fully integrated. Annual Golf tournament will be June 3rd, 2017.

Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)


Agency / Co                           NAME                 PHONE #              EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)    Chuck Seely    (949) 492-7993

c alifornia fire museum   steve hoyle       9494965688


Camp Pendleton Fire ret.  Jeff Wilkerson949-830-087

Quala-Tel Communications    Frank Uram 858 577-2900   

Los Angeles Fire Dept  Scott Quinn213-434-1380

Los Angeles County Fire Dick Weise 951-807-1914

Municipal Emergency ServicesLaz Martinez

Atwood-Prior/Pelican Products Tom Martin 909-264-4875

Louie GarciaLouie Garcia213-272-5680

Industrial ScientificDavid Molinatti714-403-1915

Torrance Fire Dept.  Tim McAtee     310-344-1490

 Santa Barbara County Fire Dept.  Michael Klusyk   805-896-6337

Ventura City Fire DeptLuis Manzano   805-256-8533

Veridian Fire Protective GearKirk Owen 712-260-3547

Fillmore Fire Department Crystal Rhoden 805-701-5891

Los Angeles Fire DepartmentDon Reyes 213359-1054

Fillmore Fire Department Keith Gurrola 8055580932

Bestway Laundry Solutions Eric higgins 18005426166

Federal Fire Ventura County Jack Koltaj 805 989-2373

LineGear Fire & Rescue Equip Tracy Rabe 949-709-8808

Pump Pod USA        Bil Ward    949-246-6999

MES                             John Price   562-212-6803

Allstar Fire Equip.    Rick Homan

Los Angeles Fire Dept     Scott Quinn213-434-1380


SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - March 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

March 17, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Gurrola,Vice Pres Quinn, Past Pres. Duran, Seely, Sczcepanek, Cardenas,  Vender Liaison Sposato

Fillmore Fire Department

Fillmore City Hall

0945    Meeting called to order - President Gurrola, Fillmore Fire Chief, welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to the City of Fillmore for use of the facility and Louie Garcia of  Western States Fire Equipment for morning bagels and coffee,  the” Fillmore Fire Foundation” for BBQ lunch.

SAFER email :, twitter, facebook etc.

Business Meeting:

Finance: $467.65 savings, $1000+/- in checking. Tony encouraged all to pay their dues (on line or by check). We’d like to hire a web-master to handle some of those updates as required. Our expenses include support of NFPA committees.

OSHA: ” Violence against first responders” reporting– Agencies must maintain a Log / Journal , (similar to a “300 Log”) beginning April 1st, 2017 of incidents involving:  (1) Member on Member, (2)Violence on  first responder from public, (3) Dog Bites.  April 2018: All members must be trained.

NFPA: Jim Evans:  1851 Committee met to consider public input and begin drafting new standard. Available on-line for review. “At incident cleaning” will be addressed in the new 1851 standard. * AB2146 (Cal) is going to make 1851 ‘Law” in California. A discussion on AB 2146 followed: Cost to implement, gov’t un-funded mandate issue, Grant opportunities to cover PPE and laundering facilities, the “10 year Rule” (maximum life-span of PPE). The act will have a five year phase-in period. Year one will have requirement to conduct “Advanced Inspection” and “Annual Inspections”. Helmets are high on list for replacement to CalOSHA approved gear.  

Apparatus: No report today. Joe added there has been a consolidation of ambulance companies into REVONE: a public company who bought several major manufacturers including KME and E-1 manufacturing.  

Technology: Discussion on the web-site work.

Venders: FDIC In Indianapolis Joe recommends everyone attend at least once, it’s the best look at all the equipment available in the market place.  April 26th thru 30th, 2017.


  • Program: Initial Accident Investigations- a Guide for Incident Safety Officers

Presenter: Brian Bulger - Ventura County Fire Department (Retired) , Incident Safety Officer

            Insert program PP/PDF

Presentation opened with demonstration to represent a group of people with observable skill sets but who don’t routinely work together (similar to resources assigned to an incident):

 A display of 6 individuals performing a task as directed by a “supervisor” who provided specific instructions on the task to be completed (a 7’ stick exercise). The exercise demonstrated the difficulty in coordinating a group of “experts” to complete a series of tasks using DIRECTIONS ONLY, then demonstrated the observable improvements in task completion with LEADERSHIP ADDED (pushing the stick down to establish momentum towards successful completion).  Discussion on “leadership” and “Followership” roles in a program.

Tony Duran then related his experience’s investigating numerous accident investigations while working for LACoFD as a Safety Officer. Many times another agency will take the “Lead Investigative Role” to cancel out any biases or favoritism. 

Scott Quinn related some helpful tips:

  • Don’t call it an ACCIDENT, it’s always referred to as n INCIUDENT.

  • Maintain the demeanor that were trying to resolve a safety matter, not a disciplinary matter – even though a disciplinary action may come if warranted.



  1. Review any previous similar statement or evidence available.

  2. Make a written or mental note of “Known” issues.

  3. Make a written or mental note of the “Need to Know” issues.


  1. Properly identify yourself.

  2. Give reason for interview without disclosing case details.

  3. Conduct interview with all witnesses.


  1. Comment on topics of apparent interest to the interviewee.

  2. Establish confidence by friendly confidence – downplay the investigator roles.

  3. Keep conversation informal and easy.

  4. Be pleasant and avoid unpleasant expressions.

  5. Tape record interview, if possible.


  1. State date, time, place of interview, name of interviewer and interviewee.

  2. Have interviewee acknowledge and and permit tape recording of interview for the record.

  3. Have interviewee state occupation and any technical background.

  4. Ask Interviewee of what he / she heard or observed that was unusual before or after the accident / investigation.
    Have interviewee describe what happened.

  5. Ask for other witnesses.



  1. Label all taped cassettes / notes and secure a “CONFIDENTIAL” marked enveloped. Forward to the Departments Safety Office.





  1. Obtain Briefing from Incident Commander.

  2. Secure the scene with barricade tape – utilize Police or Department personnel or other assistance.


  1. Photograph:

    1. Major Incident – Department photographer

    2. Routine Incident – Disposable (Digital or Smart Phone)

  2. Diagram and measure the scene

  3. Account for any movement of physical evidence.

  4. Vehicle accidents and potential criminal circumstances – local police agency in charge of investigation and evidence.


  1. Name, address, work and home telephone numbers.

  2. Their location at the time of the accident.


  1. Interviews conducted by the Duty Safety Officer are to be considered FACT FINDING in nature only. Fact finding issues are those related to the following items:

  2. Equipment Performance

  3. Safety Practice

  4. Standard Techniques

  5. Training

  6. Issues of a non-punitive nature

  7. If, for any reason, during the interview it is discovered that wrongdoing or gross negligence were factors in the accident, the interview process shall cease immediately and the Department of Human Resources shall be contacted for direction. This action is to preclude any violation of the employees’ rights.


Three “categories / things” Safety Officers should classify:

  1. Items – Things we all can discuss without specifics

  2. Concerns – An observed risk / hazard we all can discuss and determine a “best case” solution.

  3. Issues – Already happened


  • Who owns the problem? Critical Factor in analysis of accident. The more complex the incident the more difficult the analysis.

  • Route Cause Analysis – Un-layering to the most basic task level

  • Swiss Cheese analogy (one slice – see light, add additional slices and less shines through).

  • Seven coinciding events that lead to an accident (USAF)

  • Who owns the problem? Related his experience with a burn-over (Rucker – Cedar Fire) that occurred outside of Julian, Ca.: Extinguished FF’s burning body, took photos and notes on situation. Didn’t know who was “in –charge” as the incident hadn’t built to a complete incident command structure.

  • Utilize “Job aides” (Lap top, forms) to help document and format the investigative pathway going forward.

  • Have checklists, similar investigative documents from prior incidents.

  • Your Expectations: Have a good an idea what you want to accomplish on an investigation, understanding your investigation may simply “attach” to another agencies investigation when they have a larger / more appropriate level of investigation.

  • Discussion of CalOSHA’s role:

  • Uses the :SOP’s, standards from “host agency / jurisdiction” to apply.



Meeting recessed to Vender Time at 1125

Meeting reconvened at 1145 for roundtable

  • Board of Supervisor Kelly Longer addressed the meeting and expressed appreciation for our work on behalf of employee and health safety.


Steve Hoyle – CalFire / OCFDCa Fire Museum and learning center. Encourages out-reach to the Irvine City Council @  to support the California Fire Museum in the future Great Park.  

Jeff Wilkerson – Camp Pendleton Fire Department (Retired) – Relates the use of flags over deceased is not allowed in federal incidents.  

Capt Cardenas – LAFD Safety Coordinator – Numerous promotions (60) in the LAFD all the way up the ranks. Running two academies now, will trim to one next year. Working on an “Overhaul Committee” to consider how the agency leaves fire scenes to minimize toxic exposures to crews. They want to eliminate or at least minimize overhaul in the future. He related some issues with gasoline fueled smoke ejectors as a source of CO. Related / reminded attendees of the Federal death benefit for ff families.

Scott Quinn – AC LAFD – Added to the discussion on overhaul and it’s connection to Cancer in FF’s. LAFD now has psychologists to help with FF Health issues.

Scott  Bethurum  - CAL Fire Riverside – Related they’ve recently installed extractors (31 sites so far) to help with 1851 PPE laundering. Recently received an $18,000 citation for not providing adequate water in a heat illness incident. Discussion followed with agency representatives with experience fighting CalOSHA citations relating their advice. 

Don Reyes LAFD – World Fire Police Games – August7-16th web site: Related information available at the website:, opening ceremony at the LA Coliseum.   

Tony Duran –ASTI -  LACoFD (Retired) – Related ASTI teaches agencies on the response to Anhydrous ammonia incidents. Adds the only rescue from an NH3 incident will be by first responders in 1872 PPE with SCBA as waiting for a reinforced response by HazMateers with class A suits will be too late to save a victim.

Brian Bulger – Retired and enjoying life!

Joe Sposato- AllStar – SCOTT being purchased by 3M, ($2 Billion), 3M known for innovation and allowing its daughter companies to operated unhindered. SCOTT Thermal Imager available. Lion apparel V-Force Turn-Out available. Future is focused on keeping PPE CLEAN for FF health. Phoenix Helmets have new head pads for the inside top.

Mike Klusyk - Santa Barbara County Fire – Works on stations and grounds, Chair of Safety Specialist Group with FIRESCOPE. Expecting a severe fire season due to heavy rains this year. SART

John Flores – Santa Monica Fire – Organizing PPE program, purchases, maintenance etc.

Louie Garcia – Western States Fire Equipment – Discussed “SMART” vehicles and the requirements for monitoring equipment to document the operation of all commercial vehicles. More info should be available at FDIC. Western States Fire Equipment represent “Rosenbauer” apparatus.

Tim Macee –Torrance Fire Dept. – Safety Committee member in Torrance. Recently attended IAFF Legislative Conference in DC, Discussed the conference and the Torrance refinery issues which use HF in their production of hydrocarbon products.  All Torrance personnel use “station shoes” (black tennis shoes) when they leave the rig to eliminate blood borne pathogens etc. from station / quarters and are removing 80% of station carpeting. “Fire” gear gets removed prior to entering quarters and bagged for cleaning. “Fire Hood Fridays” is a local standard developed to ensure protective hoods are maintained in a clean condition.

Kevin Schroepfer - Oxnard Fire Department – Initiative to support: ”Clean Fire Station” programs: assigns two hoods / man to ensure protective hoods are maintained in a clean condition .

Rob Szczepanek - Ventura County FD has all Rosenbauer apparatus, purchase a quint, water recycling trailers has saved millions of gallons of water while training – drilling. Had a “heat related” illness that was reported as “Heat Exhaustion” which should not be used as were not Ds – we do not diagnose.

Steve Cooley – COBRA Litter – will have a sample at next meeting that addresses the enhancements requested by SAFER members.

Jim Clearey – Plymovent Air Exchange – Related diesel exhaust is the only listed carcinogen FF’s are exposed to everyday in the worked place. WHO has now stated diesel exhaust is a hazard as a carcinogen.

David Molinatti - Industrial Scientific – Related 35k times users have turned off their (4-gas) monitors while in alarm mode. Some relate they found the alarm distracting others related they didn’t know what to do in response to the alarm. New IS monitors actually annunciate what actions the user should take when in alarm. 

Eric Higgins – BestWay Laundry – New scanner capability to track and monitor equipment settings for proper laundering to be shown at FDIC in April.

Ryan Johnson – SoCal PPE Laundry – Class in June for PPE Class will train FF’s to conduct in house PPE inspections. Look for details.

Alexis Labbe’ – Leader Fire Equipment Supply – Discussed their company and the products they represent. Will have a booth at FDIC. Has a new line of nozzles being tested at North Net in Anaheim. Has Search-Cam equipment, FOAM supplies and rescue equipment for USAR work.

Jim Evans – Solutions Safety – Commented on the meeting today and expressed appreciation for the efforts on SAFETY being made across the nation. Related the Hood problem and related several solutions to eliminate the toxicity being detected.  Related each wash needs 3 x rinses per wash.

Keith Gurrola- Fillmore Fire – Next month’s meeting M A Y be in San Dimas Forestry HQ. or Santa Monica

May meeting is scheduled for  Ventura county Fire  

1145 Meeting adjourned to BBQ lunch hosted by Fillmore Fire Foundation.


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)

Agency / Co                 NAME              PHONE #                      EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)      Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993     California fire muaseum    steve hoyle        9494965688       


Camp Pendleton Fire ret. Jeff Wilkerson 949-830-087 

ASTI    LACoFD Retired   Tony Duran    

Los Angeles Fire Dept    Scott Quinn   213-434-1380

CAL FIRE/ RCoFD   Scott Bethurum    951-575-5391

Western States Fire EquipLouie Garcia   213-272-5680

Fillmore Fire      Keith Gurrola    805-558-0932

Santa Monica Fire     John Flores    805-236-5633

Industrial Scientific    David Molinatti    714-403-1915

Cobra Litters        Steve Cooley       805-377-5348 

Torrance Fire Dept.    Tim McAtee     310-344-1490

Santa Barbara Co Fire Dept.  Michael

Ventura City Fire DeptLuis Manzano805-256-8533


Solutions Safety     Jim Evans 770-634-0848

SoCal PPE   Ryan Johnson   619-993-1164

Los Angeles Fire Department     Don Reyes    213359-1054

Los Angeles Fire Department    John Cardenas   661-917-7019

Bestway Laundry SolutionsEric higgins18005426166

oxnard    Kevin.Schroepfer     805385-7709``    kevin,

VCFD     Robert Szczepanek   805-914-4021

SAFER Annual Board Meeting Minutes January 20, 2017

SAFER Board Meeting

January 20, 2017

LACoFD Camp 2

1200       SAFER Board Meeting at the conclusion of the scheduled January SAFER Meeting.

The following notes are submitted by Out Going President Ells Fortman:


First off, I want to thank you all for the support over the last two years and for allowing me the opportunity to serve as your President of this fantastic organization.  It has been a great experience and I will always cherish the relationships we have forged.

That all being said, I am very proud to present The Filmore Fire Chief, Keith Gurrola as your SAFER President for 2017-2018.

The following is a list of the 2017-2018 BOD:

• President - Keith Gurrola

• Vice President - Scott Quinn

• Secretary - Chuck Seely

• Vendor Liaison - Joe Spasato

• Immediate Past President - Ellsworth Fortman

• Treasurer - Tony Duran

• Webmaster - Jan Stance (Outgoing, replacement needed)

• Director - Mike Weisenberg

• Director - Rob Sczcepanek

• Director - Richard Weiss

• Director - Russ Snider

• Director - John Cardenas

• Director - Rick Griggs

• Director - Scott Schuster

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - January 2017


SAFER Meeting Minutes

January 20, 2017

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Fortman, VP Weise,Past Presidents Dolan,   Seely, Quinn, Gurrola, Vender Liaison Sposato

Los Angeles County  Fire Department

Fire Camp 2   

1010    Meeting called to order -  President B/C Fortman LAFD welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting, Thanks to Los Angeles County Fire Department for use of the facility for morning snacks and coffee.

SAFER will introduce todays program and forego the usual business meeting as the annual Board of Directors meeting will be held immediately after the scheduled monthly SAFER meeting.

Pres Fortman related the importance of SAFER and the relationships it fosters to further safety in the Fire Family”. He congratulated Board Member Scott Quinn on his recent promotion to Battalion Chief with the Los Angeles Fire Department.

Pres Fortman introduced our program presenter, Chief Kirk Owen, relating his appreciation for the assistance he provided in developing the LAFD PPE program.

1015    VP Dick Weise opened the SAFER meeting and led the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military.

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  • Program: NFPA 1851

  • Past, Present and Future

Presenter: Chief Kirk Owen, Plano Texas Fire Department (Retired)

            Former Chair of NFPA 1971 / 1851 Committee, Regional Sales Manager, Veridian

  • Insert program PDF

1877 – Selection, Care and Maintenance of Wildland PPE

1851 covers PPE found in the 1971 Standard


Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)



Agency / Co                         NAME                       PHONE #                              EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)        Chuck Seely (949) 492-7993

PLYMOVENT/AIR EXCHANGE   steve harris       909-973-8211      


ASTI       Tony Duran  626-590-2991

Allstar Fire    Stuart Lovi        626-255-0433

Los Angeles County Fire          Dick Weise                  951 807-1914

City of Downey Fire                Pete Browne               562.243.3393  

Municipal Emerg.  Services    Lazaro Martinez          562-320-2385  

CAL FIRE                                  Bob Wood                   951-757-8331  

Kern County Fire DepatmentSteven Salkeld             661-645-2020  

LAFD Retired                           James Dolan                562-400-1298  

LAFD                                        John A Cardenas         661-917-7019  

Torrance Fire                        Jon Henderson            310-977-5619  

Allstar                                    Joe Sposato                 626-652-0900  

Bestway Laundry                     Eric Higgins                 951-532-7700  

Veridian                                  Kirk Owen                   712-260-3547  

CAL FIRE Riverside County      Barry Owens               951-218-4309  

CAL FIRE Riverside County      Scott Bethurum           951-575-5391  

Fillmore City Fire                    Keith Gurrola            805-377-1491  

Ventura County Fire                Michael Weisenberg805-990-4326  

Vernon Fire                             Craig Peltier                661.618.1779  

Vernon Fire                             Bob Farrell                  951-741-6695  

Curtis                                       Scott Marshall             626-840-7589  

LAFD/SAFER Pres                    Ellsworth Fortman      213-700-0668  

Western States Fire Equip.     Louie Garcia                909-510-4266  

Ventura City Fire                     Brandyn Johnson         805-551-6086  

Curtis                                       Ashley Silcott               626-250-1772  

Ventura City Fire                     Lou Manzano            805-256-8522  

Curtis                                       Charles Turansky        818-398-6818  

Tencate                                   Bart McCool                541-221-5002  

ECMS                                       Bob Mercurio            562-266-8465  

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - December 2016

SAFER Meeting Minutes

December 16, 2016

SAFER Board Attendees:   Pres Fortman, VP Weise, Seely, Quinn,

Santa Fe Springs Fire Department

 Santa Fe Springs Fire Headquarters   

1010    Meeting called to order – D/C Hayward welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting,. Thanks to Santa Fe Springs Fire Department for use of the facility and Ruth with Santa Fe Springs FDfor morning brunch and coffee.

1015    VP Dick Weise opened the SAFER meeting and led  the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military.

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  • Program: “Burn It Down”- Bomb Factory House

Presenter: Nick Vent – San Diego County Haz-Mat (Retired)

 HazMat and Safety Training

Introduced a 2 –Day course that will be offered through DOT in March, 2017 in the LA Area. Flyer to be forwarded to list via email.

Escondido California 1954 Scott

Gardener stepped on a stone while clearing brush which exploded, injuring him. Medics responded and assessed the victim (one was a HazMat FF) and treated the victim. The FD responded PD who took the scene over as a crime scene.

On scene FD turned their radio to all-call and stated “may-day, may-day we need PD assistance” which caused a mass response from all resources in the area.

The issue of jurisdiction arose:

  • San Diego Sheriff

  • Escondido PD

  • San Marcos Fire

  • County Haz-Mat

6 Mason Jars of unknown material were located – found to be 98% pure organic peroxide (HMTD – Hexamethylene Tri-Peroxide Diamine-). Jars had signs of rust on the jars.

Fusion Center found the tenant was a naturalized US citizen of Russian origin. His wife was still a Russian citizen. Had made numerous trips to Mexico in the prior month and had purchased commercial Castor Beans for unknown purposes. Pack-Rat conditions revealed numerous materials that are pre-curses for HMTD.  

5# HMTD was the chemical – explosive used in the London bus bombing.


  • Citric Acid (Vitamin C)

  • Hexamine (Sterno)

  • Hydrogen Peroxide – Commercially / Consumer

  • Methyl / Ethyl Alcohol

Dissolve Haxamine



DEH HazMat was responded by SD Co Sheriffs Bomb squad as they left their station as “Tec-Refs”

Objective: to render SAFE the 6 mason jars of HMTD

Video of the individual jars was shown to demonstrate the relative power of the material (HMTD)

Several methods to accomplish this was studied by FBI Bomb experts and HazMat staff. One problem was the remaining HMTD in the soil. The suspect had been dumping his waste in the gravel behind the house. They decided to make a mixture of 5% Sodium Hydroxide and XXX to reduce the Ph


9th Civil Support Team out of Los Alamitos was able to respond and provide assistance to the incident.

DTRA – Defence Threat Reductiion Agency, Fed State EPA and Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.

DEH pursued mapping and plume predictions.

Bomb Squad utilized Ahura RMX was used to run samples in the backyard

Interview with suspect”George” :

  • No radiation

  • No Ricin, Castor Beans only

  • HMTP referred to as “Puffer Powder”

  • Hydrogen Peroxide

  • Sulfuric Acid

  • Hydrogen Cyanide

  • Bulk Lead

  • Fragmentation (Pineapple) grenade molds

  • Precursors for Nitro-Glycerin

  • Quantities of PETN

  • Whole hand grenades

  • Lab gear used to do chemistry

  • Equipment to increase potency of various chemicals.

  • Bulk ammunition of various calibers

  • “Dye Packs” with $$ attached from multiple bank robberies in the San Diego area.

  • 50 garage door openers

  • Christmas “ornaments”

  • Door-Bell was wired to a switch

  • Camo material

  • Ammo Boxes full of all kinds of bomb making materials

  • Home-made Blasting caps, made from shell casings with light bulb filaments imbedded in HMTD. Tested by Bomb Tec’s – all worked

  • Home-Made Thermite in jars

  • 14# of finished HMTD

  • Tracking Devices (from Bank robberies)

  • Police Uniform

  • Various disguises


Damage to the residence was noted from numerous accidental explosions which occurred as the suspect made various bomb types.

Finding the scene to be so un-safe to continue, Command stopped work and regrouped to determine the safest method of mitigating the hazard. A meeting of all stake holders found some opposition but after fully explaining the rational, finally agreed to the tactic. IAP’s, media notification, necessary evacuations were planned. All accessible evidence was collected to remove as many toxics from the down-stream plume. 

They decided to burn the house and all contents  

60 Agencies involved: Local, County, State, Federal as limited military as Technical Reference sources.

Video of Jan Caldwell (PIO for SD Sheriffs Dept) was shown. She explained various questions by the media which helped to ease certain concerns of the public. A “Town-Hall” meeting was held.

A Local Declaration of Emergency was issued; State Agencies were tapped to assist in the clean-up and financial issues.

A “Fire Wall” was built to protect adjacent properties. ($20,000)

Used a Web Page to provide info to public

Air Monitoring strategy was developed to document the environment during and after the planned fire out to 2 miles. (Model showed the plume to stay within 75’ of the property). Heat measurement was used to insure the heat level was reached that would destroy the chemicals on site. Smoke went 2600’ straight up during the fire.

HazMat Incinerators run at 1900 degrees, the interior temp of the house was 2600 degrees. A Burn Plan was used to burn the chemicals stored in the living areas then expose and spread into the bedrooms.


Numerous chemicals were targeted for monitoring, including radiological isotopes.

Property Owner was offered $100,000 by the county. She refused and

George Jakubek was given 30 years for the bank robberies

He admitted making exposives


Next Meeting in LACoFD



Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:

AllStar and Curtis and Plymovent


Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)

Agency / Co                                         NAME PHONE #                                             EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)                                    Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993 

Downey Fire                                        Peter Browne(562) 243-3393 

PLYMOVENT/AIR EXCHANGE             JIM CLEAERY   909-720-7064  

SD County HIRT - Retired                    Nick Vent         619-778-9500  

LAFD                                                    Ellsworth Fortman 661-645-1810

CURTIS                                                            Scott Marshall 626-840-7589  

Los Angeles County Fire                      Dick Weise      951 807-1914    

Los Angeles County Fire                      Chris Marangakis (562) 553-2619

Fillmore City Fire                                Keith Gurrola805-558-0932  

Ventura Co, Fire                                  Robert Szczepanek 805-914-4021

SAFER Monthly Meeting Minutes - November 2016


SAFER Meeting Minutes

November 18, 2016

SAFER Board Attendees:   President Fortman, VP  Weise, ,Quinn, Seely, Alvarado, Past President Duran, Past President Dolan

Long Beach Fire Department


0900 – 0945    Vender Display / Networking         

1000    Meeting called to order –  B/C President Fortman (Batt 13)  welcomed SAFER and opened the meeting , introduced B/C Alvarado (LBFD) who led the flag salute and moment of silence to remember our fallen brothers and sisters in the fire, police and military. Thanks to LBFD for use of the facility and John Price - MES for hospitality lunch.

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1000 – 1130    Presentation – Assistant Chief Corey Rose -“Firefighter Behavioral Health”

  • Program: FD/LEO Command Operations

 Chief Ed Hadfield – Rincon Fire Department / Firetown Training Specialist


“One Team – Command Concepts” – Command Concepts for the New Normal” pp

A concept developed in Huntington Beach FD & PD. They wanted to better coordinate first responders at / during major events and incidents. The concept was a “Segway” to promote the use of “Incident Command System” within the “LAW” side like the “FIRE” side uses frequently.

Chief Hadfield related the risks in the City of Santa Maria (MS 13 etc.) “thrill” murders which forced the FD/LEO units to coordinate using IC system routinely for daily operations.

The concept of routinely utilizing the ICS is based as an “organic level”, at the basic operational level. Patrol Officers, Sergeants levels MUST buy in to be successful. 

Command puts people at risk, our job is to determine the “Level of Risk” we’re willing to expose them to.

Our job is to put people at risk to serve the community, the LAW side’s job is to provide overwatch to protect our people and the public.

FD/LEO Goal: “You home, I go home”

Personal “Medical Plan”: Each LAW member produced a medical plan that was carried within the B/C’s car in case an officer was injured. The medics would take the info to the hospital. Includes everything about the officer as well as specific instructions he wants to be done on his behalf.

B/C’s would attend briefings prior to high risk warrant services, major crime incidents and similar event profiles. Casualty Collection Points (CCPs), Com. Plan, Staging locations and Hospital locations determined during briefing.  Mutual Aid assets, Auto Aid agencies with non-common communications need to be identified and policy / procedures for mitigation planned.


P – Patrol Culture

R – Respond – Need to respond with LAW on routine calls to contribute at the CP

I – Initiate – Involve yourself in the Command

D – Decide

E- Evaluate

S - Serve


In Santa Maria benefits were noted in many critical incidents where assets were on scene and positioned for quick response.

Chief Hadfield recommended “Plate Carriers” in lieu of traditional body armor. The front side was for the public, the back has equipment for the team member: Israeli bandages, tourniquets, dressings etc. Ballistic helmets were utilized by fire service.

Radio traffic needs a Tactical Channel for the incident.

B/C Fortman (LAFD) related LAPD has outstanding policies to include FD/EMS in briefings. Rescue Task Forces are outside the IDLH but proximate to the incident. They have “Tactical Medics” with dual band radios to communicate with both sides. The Tactical Medics are to provide aid to team members, the Rescue Task Force provides aid to victims, perp’s.

Discussion on whether to wear “Fire Gear” over body armor or “blend” into appearance of other incident members. Chief Hadfield feels it’s better to appear as menacing as possible to avoid being a “Target in Yellow Brush Gear”.

Chief related he produced a “Ten Things LAW should not do at a structure fire”.




  • Business Meeting:

Dues: Please pay annual dues per website fee schedule.

1130 -1200 Roundtable

  • Roundtable:

Alex Warehouse

Robert Takashida LAFD: Risk Management Chief

Ron Barome - Burbank Fire- Training Officer

Scott Quinn LAFD: Medical Liaison Officer related LA has many medical claims every year. Injuries, Illnesses, equipment

Chad Stuart LAFD: New member in Risk Management – Litigation liaison.

Ken Cardenas LAFD Safety Coordinator- Looking into overhaul procedures graduated 42 members with two more in process. JOIN

B/C Fortman LAFD – New EMS Bureau assignment. LAFD down to 200 vacancies from last year’s 300. New resources are coming on-line this year. SAFER board meeting in early December to plan next board. Recognized Capt Jim Dolan’s contribution to LAFD Safety Programs.

Mike Schlagg- Cart System: new tires will be available for off road, loop to be added to attach ropes to rear.

Steve Cooly – Cobra Carts representative: Discussed design changes to improve the performance / utility of the Cobra Cart System. Rated at 1000#, black unit for SWAT operations.

Jim Dolan LAFD Retired – Words of wisdom

Lazaro Martinez – Cascade Fire Equipment – Manufacture of skid units, distributor of PPE and fire equipment.

Stuart Luvi – AllStar Fire Equipment – Recommended attending the Hawaiian Fire Chiefs Association Annual Meeting on Maui. $200/night at Ritz-Carlton. $25 to join association. Related the newest SCOTT IR equipped mask.

Dick Weise LACoFD – NFPA Safety Briefing on washing hoods coming out. CA concerns and contamination reduction are

1877 document for SCAM of Wildland Ensemples. Working on new “lighter” fire shelters. Dozers and helicopter pilot gloves are being reviewed. Dual compliancenew station pants are being purchasing Station / wildland pants as a PPE. Undergarment to be bought out of uniform allowances. Helmet liners are a concern in units that don’t have removable liners for cleaning. Hoods to filter out contaminates down to one micron (98% of what’s in smoke). REM Teams: Rapid Emergency Medics. Cancer reduction program coming – NFPA, IAFF contributing to a package program.

John Price (JP) LACoFD Retired – Arranged use of facility. MES distributor of PPE and fire equipment.

Firefighter Cancer Support Network Vice President – Brian Feebers Pasadena Fire Marshal new President. Related recommendations for reducing CANCER risks: Clean / Replace soiled hoods, leave contaminated gear OUTSIDE, clean as per 1855. Buy cleaning packets to reduce skin contact transmitted toxins from tools and skin.

Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc. – Manufactures representative for several companies.



  • next meetings:

  1. December @ Santa Fe Springs    

  2. January 20, 2017 @ LACoFD Camp 2                                                      



Meeting Attendees (Sign-ins)        November 18th, 2016

Agency / Co                                   NAME PHONE #                                 EMAIL (s)

Downey Fire (Retired)                  Chuck Seely     (949) 492-7993 

Cascade Fire Equipment Co          Lazaro Martinez 714-715-8189

Allstar Fire Equipment                  Stuart Lovi 626-255-0433         

Ammonia Safety Training Institute - ASTI            Tony Duran 626-590-2991

Los Angeles County Fire                Dick Weise 951 807-1914         

LAFD Retired                                 Jim Dolan        562-421-3258  

LAFD                                            John A. Cardenas 661-917-7019

Rincon Fire Department               Ed Hadfield 9518582444          

Cobra Litters LLC                        Mike Schlags   805-896.7993  

Los Angeles Fire Department       Chad Stuart 213 4826933         

Burbank FD                                   Ron Barone 818-823-6560        

Atwood-Prior MFGR Rep            Tom Martin 937-689-2222       

Cobra Litters LLC                        Steve Cooley   805-377-5348  

long beach                                                paul alvarado562 5703003               paul alvarado

MES                                               John Price        562-212-6803  

LAFD                                              Scott Quinn     (213) 434-1380 




Vender’s, Manufacture’s and Consultants represented at this meeting:


Michael Schlags – Cobra Rescue Litters


P.O. Box 1981

Buellton[CS1]  , CA 93427-1981

(805) 896-7993

Spencer, Iowa   51301


Lazaro Martinez – Cascade Fire Equipment Co.

(626) 255-0433 Cell


Tom Martin – Atwood-Prior, Inc.

Manufacturers Agent

(937) 689-2222

2895 Valpak Rd. N.E.

Salem, OR97303

(800) 545-5678